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To: itsahoot
Immigration period is the problem not only in Europe but the US. Yes, Muslims exacerbate things due to their religious and cultural differences, but assimilation has become a major problem in Europe and the US.

Europe is now having second thoughts about the Schengen Agreement and the free movement of labor within the EU. Borders do matter--even if the immigrants are from other EU countries. I have lived 13 years in five Euopean countries. Europe does not do a good job of assimilation.

The US is being colonized by the Third World. We are developing our own ghettos, e.g., LA, Miami, Detroit, etc.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade. Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.

26 posted on 05/05/2012 12:32:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Yes, Muslims exacerbate things due to their religious and cultural differences, but assimilation has become a major problem in Europe and the US.

Could you point t one place in the world where Islam has assimilated?

27 posted on 05/05/2012 4:58:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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26 posted on Sat May 05 2012 14:32:29 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by kabar: “The US is being colonized by the Third World. We are developing our own ghettos, e.g., LA, Miami, Detroit, etc. The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history...”

I understand your point, but I believe three qualifications need to be made.

First, Muslim immigration is in an entirely different category from immigration in the 1800s and early 1900s from Northern Europe and from Southern or Eastern Europe, and immigration since the 1960s from Hispanic countries and from Asia. Muslim immigration carries problems unique to itself. In the past, most immigrants came to America because of its economic, political or religious freedoms (or all three together) and wanted to preserve those freedoms. We have never before had a significant group that didn't want those freedoms but instead viewed them as a threat, and intend to reject key Western values on which America was founded.

Second, while it's obvious we're having massive immigration in terms of raw numbers, I'd be interested in seeing numbers based on population percentages rather than raw numbers. Yes, we have more immigrants today, but there was a day when the United States had a far smaller population than it does today — the whole country had fewer people at the end of the Revolutionary War (3.9 million) than the combined population today of the New York City boroughs of Manhattan and Brooklyn — and I think the massive immigration of the 1800s may have been a significantly higher percentage of the population than what we're seeing today.

Third, there was a day when large parts of the rural Midwest spoke German, Dutch, or various other northern European languages of farmer immigrants, and large parts of our cities were filled not only with northern European immigrants but also impoverished ethnic ghettos where Italian, Yiddish, or various Eastern European languages were spoken and where much of the population was illiterate even in its native language and members of those immigrant groups went to work in horrible factory conditions. Our Hispanic immigration is following long-established patterns of immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, filling bottom-of-the-barrel unskilled labor jobs that many Americans simply refuse to do, but in the process getting a bad reputation for a variety of social ills.

I don't see immigration as being a key problem in the United States. It **IS** a key problem in Europe, but the problem is that the immigrants are bringing fundamentally anti-Western values and European nations no longer have a shared Judeo-Christian ethic which teaches the value of work and personal discipline.

I'm not unaware of the problems of Hispanic immigration. I do believe in a Protestant work ethic, and that needs to be taught today to Hispanic immigrants for many of the same reasons it needed to be taught to Eastern and Southern Europeans in the 1800s. My ancestors were Italian, by the way, and phrases like “dirty Dago” and “wop” were once used the same way Americans today use “wetback” and “dirty Mexican.”

The bottom line, however, is that Europe's problems are multiple orders of magnitude worse because its immigration is coming from nations which are fundamentally hostile to Western culture in ways that Latin America is not.

28 posted on 05/05/2012 6:52:52 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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