Posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
Attention "Anyone But Obama" (ABO) FReepers! If you go to the thread at the link you will will see that JimRob has "declared a truce" and hundreds of ABO FReepers are now vigorously defending their belief, which I share, that the ineligible Marxist Manchurian MUST BE DEFEATED to preserve the Republic...without fear of "the ZOT"! Please consider a DONATION not just to fund renewal of expression and amplification of your ABO views, but let's over-achieve this FReepathon to get JR his new equipment!
IMO, Free Republic and FReepers could be vital in swing states in rallying just enough conservatives to tip the election and prevent our troops from having to salute for even one day longer than necessary an ineligible Marxist committed to destroying the USA !
Anybody - and I mean anybody - who enables this traitorous bastard, whether through action or inaction, is himself the same.
One slight semantical problem, for Bork Obunga to be a “traitor” he’d have to be doing something which would harm Kenya. The analogy you really want is Boris Godunov.
Sorry, I thought for a minute that you were a serious person...my error.
I don't think that I've ever seen Elsie for all the years I've known him, ever post anything that indicates that God doesn't love everyone. Nor do I think that anyone outside of some WBC type group would claim so.
But there's a world of difference between God loving everyone, which He does, and everyone making it to heaven, which not all are.
God so loved the world that He sent His only Son to live the life we couldn't live, to die the death we couldn't die, to pay the penalty we are incapable of paying. He determined the times set for us and the exact places where we should live so that men might seek Him and perhaps reach out and find Him (Acts 17). He's given us the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment and draw all men to Himself. He's commanded all men everywhere to repent. He's done everything for us short of making us robots with no ability to choose in order to save us.
Anyone who is not saved is in that position of their own choice. God still loves them but they have no one to blame but themselves for not coming to Him.
Elsie speaks against the lies of Mormonism using their writings and Scripture to prove it. If someone is offended by that, it is the offense of the cross - the message of the Gospel.
We also need several major kinds of political reforms to guarantee that we don't go through this sort of gut wrenching every four years in the future and the most major such reform would be runoff elections or instant runoff elections for all public offices. Nobody should ever fear to vote their first choice at least on a first ballot, and nobody should ever hold a public office with less than 50% of the vote. THAT would make it possible for a third or fourth party to rise up and supplant one of our existing two major parties when that needs to happen.
ok.
Thanks.
(Agree with the poster after yours who answered your question with, "the thread was hijacked." I apologize to all for feeding in to the hijacking, and will only respond to posts relevant to the topic of the thread.........like yours. :)
You couldn’t be clearer.
Can’t figure how it still escapes some.
Thanks and God Bless you and FR.
THANK YOU!!!!
You are, as always, correct.
There were some things said I found distasteful in how they were put. Could have been a bad choice of words. Could have been a failure of comprehension on my part (much more likely!).
I have freepmailed Elsie and asked if he minds if we move the discussion to mails, rather than in a thread. (unsure about the time zone difference, so at least we can talk and know the other will see and respond.)
Brilliant
Obviously. Of course, most refuse to look at most of those tools, and folks like yourself try to make us believe we're limited only to the tools you say we can safely use.
The only tool we have to possibly advance a conservative agenda is Romney.
That's like saying the only tool we have to possibly advance good health is a mega-dose of cyanide.
That we are left with Romney is a whole discussion in and of itself, but are we going to use the tool or not?
You cannot possibly use Mitt Romney for anything good. You can only allow yourself to be used by him. He's the one with the power. You're the tool. Do you get it?
Many at FR are stating they will not vote for Romney - that is fine...
How generous of you to let us decide how to deploy our sacred franchise.
...but it misses the fundamental issue at hand
I'm pretty certain from reading your post that you don't have a clue as to what any of the actual fundamental issues at hand really are.
- the time to go full bore against the GOP establishment was in 2008. Conservatives didn’t do it effectively for 3-1/2 solid years.
Why? Because you say so? In truth, it always the time to go all in for what is right. If you haven't done it previously, start now, before it is too late for you and your country.
To claim a principled political stand when there is no viable candidate to articulate those principles is simply self-aggrandizement and self-back-patting - in abundant supply here by folks here.
Some of us will take a principled stand even if there isn't another soul on the planet willing to do so. We don't determine right and wrong by a democratic vote, or the whims of a mob. But, in any case, the American people can make anyone they want viable, without reference to your arbitrary opinions about it.
“Look at me, I’ve got pure principles” - No, the time for 2012 was 3 years ago. The time for 2016 is now.
Again, it is always the time to do what is right.
If FR is influential as it once was, why are we in this predicament?
This "predicament" is because folks have listened for too long to people like yourself.
Will FR be influential for the 2016 race - or the 2014 midterms? Not if FR takes itself out of the presidential race debate in 2012.
Decent folks don't ask themselves those sorts of questions. They know that if they are simply faithful and consistent in doing good, they will have influence, and that if they do wrong, God will take away their power and influence. This is as sure as the sun coming up in the morning.
Use the leaky bucket to bail out the boat when you don’t have any other bucket. To claim purity of principle by refusing to bail out the boat at all, even with a leaky bucket, is fine, but the boat will certainly sink.
See, that's the thing. You're not bailing out anything. You're bashing more holes in the hull with a sledgehammer.
Politics is not a place for purity of principle in the best of times. It would be nice if it was, but it never has been.
The founders of this republic would find such statements to be repugnant.
-- George Washington, First Inaugural Address, 1789"There exists in the economy and course of nature, an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness; between duty and advantage; between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy, and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity; since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained."
Right now conservatives aren’t getting much of anything.
And they never will get anything that matters from Romney, or Romney Republicans.
Unseat Obama with the tool we have, and maybe we’ll get something.
The idea that Mitt Romney, a man whose own supporters hate him, can win this election, is laughable.
Don’t unseat Obama and we get nothing.
Sadly, with the development of Romney Republicanism, conservatives and conservatism get nothing even if you could unseat Obama and replace him with Mitt Romney. Nothing at all, except the consolidation of the socialist gains of Barack Obama.
In many ways, Free Republic is a news aggregator like GoogleNews performing the sort of work once done by the Associated Press. However, instead of article selections being driven by a mindless computer algorithm or a small number of editors who see themselves as elite gatekeepers determining what constitutes newsworthiness, the articles are hand-selected via crowdsourcing by tens of thousands of conservative individuals who pick out things they think are important for the rest of us to know about.
Who said technological innovation is limited to the leftists? They just get more credit for their ideas since they run the traditional mainstream media. Jim Robinson came up with Free Republic and was changing politics while Howard Dean was a minor New England governor of a small state whose “netroots” and “netizen” concepts hadn't yet been promoted on the national stage.
@RFEngineer: We agree on the realities of being pragmatic in politics. Under the American system, as opposed to European-style proportional representation, if we can't get to 50 percent, we don't even get a seat at the table. I frankly haven't decided yet what I will do this fall — my concern is not so much about people supporting Romney here on Free Republic, but rather people going far beyond that position to say that religious “bigots” shouldn't be allowed. That leads to a French-style secular republic, not the Judeo-Christian foundations of the United States.
1,180 posted on Tue May 08 2012 08:08:00 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by metmom: “Hey! What are you doing on this thread making sense? ... And thanks for the coherent, well thought out and expressed evaluation of the situation.”
Thanks! It is, after all, what I'm supposed to do as a reporter — listen to lots of people, analyze what they've said, and write an article that makes some sense out of what happened at the meeting I attended.
@CharacterCounts and ohioWfan: Yep, the thread has been hijacked.
Now back on track, in a hope to unhijack things and get back to the root issue:
1,175 posted on Tue May 08 2012 07:21:52 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by wagglebee: “I would also vote for a Mormon under these circumstances, although it would be with a great deal of hesitation. Nevertheless, this is a moot point as Romney IS NOT a conservative pro-life, pro-family, anti-abortion, anti-homosexual-marriage Mormon and to pretend otherwise would be an insult to the Mormons who actually are.”
We agree.
I understand the desire of Mormons to support “one of their own.” The perils of Roman Catholics backing John F. Kennedy despite his liberal views could be instructive to Mormons.
On the other hand, if Romney loses, maybe after this election the LDS will do some housecleaning. If Reid, Romney and Huntsman become the new face of Mormonism, it won't help their church any more than the Kennedys and Archbishop Weakland helped the Roman Catholic Church.
I do not believe Mitt Romney can win this fall. But whether he wins or loses, those of us in the conservative movement have a major problem either way.
This.
Excellent post; thank you.
I agree with much of what you say, darrell, but not this.
If you know what happened here in Columbus when Obama "began" his campaign, you'll understand the trouble he's in. They were going door to door begging for people to come, they bussed students in from OU and they still only filled half the arena.
The kids were Obama's bread and butter, and they're no longer interested. He's given up on trying to win white blue collar voters, he's lost independents, and his horrific policies will continue to fail in front of the American people's eyes until November.
His speech was reduced to admitting that it's going to take a long time for his policies to work, but that we have to keep moving "forward" not backward.
The whole thing was a joke.
Yes, he has endless money, but unlike what some people think here on FR, people will come out in droves to work to defeat him....in spite of the fact that Romney may have been their last choice in the primaries.
People out here in the country "get it." Obama MUST go, ergo Romney WILL win.
Here in Ohio, there is an incredible young man running against Sherrod Brown for Senator. His name is Josh Mandel, and he's bright, courageous, rock solid conservative, and he told us, ready to take on "President Romney" if he has to. (And he will).
We need to work like crazy to get a majority of conservatives in the Senate, a bigger majority in the House, and hold President Romney's feet to the fire every single day of his presidency.
I’ve been in public restrooms where people are on the phone while doing their business.
It’s the epitome of rudeness. I don’t know what’s going on in some people’s minds.
Excellent point.
However, there is even more to it than that. Catholics supported JFK in a time when matters like abortion and homosexuality were non-issues. The only other Catholic nominee for president was John Kerry and he didn't get the majority of the Catholic vote.
Conservative Mormons on FR would do well to take a cue from Catholic FReepers, four years ago the Catholics on FR overwhelmingly rejected Rudy Giuliani.
I do not believe Mitt Romney can win this fall. But whether he wins or loses, those of us in the conservative movement have a major problem either way.
No candidate in American history has ever won without the enthusiastic support of his own party. Look at the primaries, the only states Romney won by large margins are liberal states that the GOP won't win anyway.
I would suggest, rather, that you ask the Holy Spirit to examine your heart to see what if there is any truth in the reaction a number of us had to your posts, as we all should do when we are criticized.
Again.....if you're seriously interested, I will take the time to look for and freepmail the specific posts (there were a number of them) and you can reply privately as well.
I felt I needed to respond to your last post yesterday, but am not interested in continuing this conversation here, as it is not germane to the subject of the thread.
The problem with that, as someone on some thread somewhere pointed out, is that if obama is in the WH, the Republican Congress with fight him and if Romney is in, they will support him, even though he proposes the exact same America destroying agenda simply because of partisan politics.
I cannot with a clear conscience vote for obama lite whom the House will back while destroying what is left of our country.
God help me. I don't want to sound like I think that obama would be a better choice than Romney because I don't. They're both going to destroy this country However, I see an obama presidency causing more of a backlash at all levels than a Romney presidency.
Either one will drag our country down, but I think there will be more kicking and screaming with obama in the White House.
The only potential for good that obama's second term would be is in terms of forcing the issue and bringing about a strong backlash with the hope that it would change things.
I guess I see this as the frog in the pot. With Romney, it's a slow boil killing us. With obama it's tossing it in quickly which COULD kill us if we let it.
That said, I do have this really BAAADDDD feeling that obama is going to get a second term and that the clock is going to seriously start ticking to count down the end.
I fear we're in for a rough ride, especially for reasons I can't get into here.
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