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When confronted with unacceptable results, change the premise! Consensus is the goal of the new Science.
1 posted on 05/08/2012 3:23:23 AM PDT by Makana
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To: Makana

So these two geeks twirled the dials on the satellite to make the data match the agenda?


2 posted on 05/08/2012 3:34:13 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Remember, Obama said he's only 60% done with his agenda.)
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To: Makana
When confronted with unacceptable results, change the premise! Consensus is the goal of the new Science.

Actually, that *is* how science works. When the results do not fit the hypothesis, it's time to change the hypothesis and try again. This has nothing to do with "consensus", though.

3 posted on 05/08/2012 3:46:02 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Makana
Keep calibrating until you get the results you want... What ever happened to science?

Mike

4 posted on 05/08/2012 4:03:26 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Makana

They will adjust it until it say’s what they want it to say.


5 posted on 05/08/2012 4:09:55 AM PDT by Venturer
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These models take the current state of the world and extrapolate into the future. If they are so great at that, let them publish the resulting values for temperature, humidity, etc, at each spot of the surface of Earth, for the next ten years. Then we can compare their predictions to reality every day, and we will all see how great these models are and be convinced.

Or we will be laughing off our behinds…

6 posted on 05/08/2012 4:10:16 AM PDT by cartan
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To: Makana
Tell me what you want for an answer and I will create a program.....duh

We're not idiots...and us plain, ignorant folks "gotcha"...

10 posted on 05/08/2012 4:31:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Makana

Our scientific “establishment” has become a corrupt monolith of socialism.


11 posted on 05/08/2012 4:33:56 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Fall Forward")
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To: Makana

They will pound this lie until we are all slaves to the New World Order.


12 posted on 05/08/2012 4:36:28 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: Makana

How convenient.

Reminds me of the typical leftist approach to countering the truth when the truth stubbornly refuses to go along with their agenda.

The lefties wanted to raise alarm about ‘unprecedented’ modern-day global temperature levels, but there was that pesky little matter of the Medieval Warm Period, farming settlements in Greenland, growing wine grapes in Britain and all that got in the way. So, like good little Stalinists, they set about to rewrite history. They trotted out bogus explanations (”the MWP was just a regional, not a global, phenomena) and cherry picked their way to a phony hockey stick graph that erased the MWP.

They use the false statistics, false history tactic in other fields, too. Lefties find American freedoms to be offensive to their totalitarian sensibilities. Gun rights are a major impediment to their agenda. So along comes history professor Michael Bellesiles who phonies up some “research” that oh-so-conveniently proves that everything that we thought we knew about guns in the hands of ordinary Americans was wrong. He got caught in the act, and so the lefties had a bit of a setback on that front, but they will regroup and try it again, because the Commies are in it for the long haul.

This “study” has the same smell of manufactured revisionist history about it.


13 posted on 05/08/2012 5:02:18 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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"The finding is important because it helps confirm that models that simulate global warming agree with observations, said Stephen Po-Chedley, a UW graduate student in atmospheric sciences who wrote the paper with Qiang Fu, a UW professor of atmospheric sciences."

It does no such thing. It brings the three different data sets (radiosonde balloons, surface thermometric, and satellite radiometry) into agreement with one another. All three data sets show some SLIGHT warming over the last century (or that part of it for which they have been available to make measurements).

The MODELS on the other hand, ASSUME a large number of positive feedback effects to artificially magnify that SLIGHT warming into "world catastrophe" temperature increases. Those ASSUMED positive feedback mechanisms are not proving to happen. Roy Spencer goes into great depth on this in his blog.

14 posted on 05/08/2012 5:05:30 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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The finding is important because it helps confirm that models that simulate global warming agree with observations, said Stephen Po-Chedley, a UW graduate student in atmospheric sciences who wrote the paper with Qiang Fu, a UW professor of atmospheric sciences.

Oh, it's "important" alright, 'cause it now allows them to support their agenda. Scientifically it is not so important.

They identified a problem with the satellite temperature record put together by the University of Alabama in Huntsville.

Identified "a" problem? What exactly was that problem, and how does it relate to the temperature data? A problem with the data could be anything from a formatting problem to a precision problem to a misspelling on the title page. I sense smoke and mirrors here.

...it has often been cited by climate change skeptics to cast doubt on models that show the impact of greenhouse gases on global warming.

Ah, hence this data must be, must be scrutinized, discredited, and then re calibrated to support the new world order. Great, but has the other data, the data at odds with this data, been similarly scrutinized?

Scientists like Po-Chedley and Fu have been studying the three records because each comes to a different conclusion.

But, but... I thought the science was settled! ;-/ Of course it isn't, really. It is only settled in the minds of those with an agenda, and they will drive the data to fit their vision.

"There's been a debate for many, many years about the different results...

So much for that whole settled thing...

When they applied their correction to the Alabama-Huntsville climate record for a UW-derived tropospheric temperature measurement, it effectively eliminated differences with the other studies.

And the justification for their "correction" is? Hey, anyone can apply a "correction" to anything. Gee, Mr. IRS, I'd like to apply my own "correction" to my gross income before we figure the taxes on it. How about it?

Scientists already had noticed that there were issues with the way the Alabama researchers handled data from NOAA-9...

Notice how carefully worded that is. It doesn't say there is a problem with the data - only with how the researchers handled the data. Obviously they didn't apply the approved "correction" because the data doesn't fit the agenda. So let us "help" you with your "handling" of the data, here... Here is a "correction" that'll help...

"It should therefore make for a better record, as long as UAH accepts it," he said.

Why should anyone accept your fudged data over anyone else's fudged data. We already know, WE KNOW that so-called "climate scientists" in pursuit of their alleged global warming agenda have lied and falsified data. That is a known admitted fact. Therefore right now, no-one in "climate science" has any credibility. I would not accept your analysis if you said the sun will rise tomorrow morning - I'd wait for the dawn to confirm it.

So you can't simply publish a new set of made up numbers that now magically support your agenda. You have to publish everything and the reasoning behind it. If I've got any time over the next couple of weeks, I think I'll see if I can find that paper. What the heck, I could use a few laughs.

16 posted on 05/08/2012 5:15:02 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Makana

Kinda like Rat politicians involved in recounts.You count the votes again...and again...and again...and when the first recount that suggests a Rat victory appears...counting over!


18 posted on 05/08/2012 5:40:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: a casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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