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Why does gay marriage keep losing at the ballot box? (WaPo writers asks and tries to explain)
Washington Post ^ | 05/09/2012 | Rachel Weiner

Posted on 05/10/2012 7:42:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Gay marriage is increasingly accepted across the country. More Americans support gay marriage (47 percent) than oppose it (43 percent), according to a recent Pew survey. In 2004, 60 percent of Americans opposed it in Pew data. Only 8 percent were strongly in favor. In 2004, a majority did not support gay marriage in any state; by 2010, a majority did in 17.

Yet 32 times since 1998, voters have gone to the polls and voted against gay marriage.* Thirty-eight states prohibit gay marriage in some fashion. Even in “blue” states like California, Oregon and Delaware, gay marriage bans stand. North Carolina’s Amendment One Tuesday night was just the latest in a long line of failures at the ballot box for proponents of gay marriage. (Support for bans is falling over time, according to HRC: in 2004 they passed on average 71 percent to 29 percent, but in 2008 the average was 57 percent to 43 percent.)

Gay marriage has had more success in courts and state legislatures. But still, only six states and the District of Columbia allow gay marriage.

What explains the discrepancy between the national movement toward legalization of gay marriage with the repeated failures of such measures at the ballot box? A lot of it comes down to timing.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexuality
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1 posted on 05/10/2012 7:42:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah, she’s just a weiner.

No wonder she’s trying to rationalize.

Nothing like a good rationalization.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:17 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Can't Count.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“A lot of it comes down to timing”

No, a lot comes down to fake polling.


3 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:45 AM PDT by tobyhill (Conservatives are proud of themselves, Liberals lie about themselves)
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To: SeekAndFind
A lot of it comes down to timing.

BS...a lot of the acceptance percentages come down to rigged data.

4 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:45 AM PDT by ibytoohi
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To: SeekAndFind

Why do I have the feeling that Rachel has an I’m-a-boy hairdo? No amount of trumpeting from the rooftops will stem the inevitable. This is a bubble that is about to burst like a hurricane all over the Left’s marvelously constructed alternate reality.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 7:47:33 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: RexBeach

Here’s her rationalization :

“Primaries, like the one in North Carolina last night, are particularly low turnout affairs— giving opponents to gay marriage the edge.”

In other words to this writer, a lot more people REALLY support gay marriage but these people don’t bother don’t bother to vote.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 7:48:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

lie in the first sentence of the “story”. Homosexual “marriage” is NOT accepted across the country. It might be accepted in NY and California, but real Americans don’t accept it

NY and California are full of insane people and the rest of the country isn’t about to be dictated to by them


7 posted on 05/10/2012 7:50:20 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s because we have a private ballot. We are truly free to vote our conscience.


8 posted on 05/10/2012 7:50:40 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gee...why do ordinary citizens not like gay marriage?

Do you suppose it could be...because it’s an ABOMINATION?
Do you suppose it could be...because WE are GROSSED OUT beyond measure at the very THOUGHT of it it?
Do you suppose it could be...that it GOES AGAINST THE VERY DESIGN of a human?
Do you suppose it could be...that GOD HIMSELF has declared it a SIN?

Naaah. It’s because we’re all a bunch of un-enlightened, knuckle-dragging, religious bigots. Yeah, that’s the ticket. /sarc


9 posted on 05/10/2012 7:52:00 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why does gay homosexual marriage keep losing at the ballot box? (WaPo writers asks and tries to explain)

Because it's unnatural . . . that's why. It's kinda' like trying to convince us that Mooch-elle's not fat.

10 posted on 05/10/2012 7:52:53 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: yldstrk

Actually California voters REJECTED gay marriage. New York voters were never given a chance to decide. It was rammed through the State legislature with big payoffs from leftist financiers, like BLoomberg, to opponents so they would switch sides. It was a vile act of political corruption.


11 posted on 05/10/2012 7:54:09 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: SeekAndFind
"Bradley" effect...

"Sure, I support equal rights for gays and minorities and aliens..."
12 posted on 05/10/2012 7:54:14 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: SeekAndFind

It lost BIG in NC. And it lost in traditional Democrat areas where there are large % of minorities.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 7:54:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: laweeks

She is puzzled because she observes this stat:

“More Americans support gay marriage (47 percent) than oppose it (43 percent)”.

I don’t know here she gets this data from, but there it is.


14 posted on 05/10/2012 7:54:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: WashingtonSource

I don’t care. California and NY are depraved


15 posted on 05/10/2012 7:54:55 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind
A lot of it comes down to timing.

A LOT of it comes down to gays going from wanting to have privacy in their bedrooms, to wanting 'tolerance' of their lifestyle in public to now demanding legal endorsement of it.

16 posted on 05/10/2012 7:56:17 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: tobyhill
No, a lot comes down to fake polling.

Or a lot of people who don't want to say to a pollster that they are against non-diverse marriage* politely lying to get the pollster to go away.




* A non-diverse marriage marriage is one where their is no diversity in its sexual make-up. Since diversity is a "good thing" and since the population is roughly 50%/50% male/female, each marriage should reflect the diversity of the populace. Otherwise, there is de facto sexual bias in a marriage if only one sex is represented.

17 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:14 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Notice the reference to the “success” they have when the issue is decided against the will of the people by an “enlightened” judiciary...


18 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: yldstrk

Hold on a moment. We here in California voted to ban gay marriage in 2008. It was overturned by a sodomite judge.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:37 AM PDT by skimask
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To: SeekAndFind
it comes down to the proponents appealing to a person's feelings.

If the facts were emphasized there would be little support for gay marriage.

What are he facts? There are a multitude of them.

Start with history - from time immemorium all civilizations and religions have outlawed the practice.

Look at the natural world - male/female couplings are the norm, with very few exceptions.

Look at science - scientists for many years have tried to prove homosexuality is part of DNA, and have failed.

Look at the polls - advocates say 10% of the population is homosexual but the scientifically valid surveys reveal only 2% are, slightly less for women, slightly more for men.

And lastly look at Scripture where there are several passages stating sodomy is sinful and some say an abomination.

there is more

20 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:37 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: WashingtonSource

RE: Actually California voters REJECTED gay marriage. New York voters were never given a chance to decide. It was rammed through the State legislature with big payoffs from leftist financiers, like BLoomberg, to opponents so they would switch sides. It was a vile act of political corruption.

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Here’s my take ... GAY MARRIAGE IS *LOW* ON A VOTER’s PRIORITY LIST COMPARED TO JOBS AND THE ECONOMY.

For most Blacks, gay marriage is UNIMPORTANT compared to how the government promises to take care of your needs ( and also the race of the candidate ).

That is why you see Blacks voting AGAINST Gay marriage by a 2-1 margin in NC, but voting FOR Obama and any Democrat anyway.

Welfare is more important than gay marriage to Black voters. Hence, they’ll ignore Obama’s stance on this issue anyway.


21 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: WashingtonSource

Didn’t the homosexual marriage ban in CA get tossed by a Federal judge?


22 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:46 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: skimask

RE: It was overturned by a sodomite judge.

Shouldn’t the judge be RECUSED due to conflict of interest?


23 posted on 05/10/2012 7:59:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: skimask

how do you stand living there


24 posted on 05/10/2012 8:00:02 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind
The highly tendentious language contained in the article--gay marriage is described as "marriage equality," which certainly sounds like a good thing--is very revealing, in my opinion.

The author, obviously, embraces the Hegelian doctrine of thesis/antithesis/synthesis: The "conversation" must be rather advanced--"further along" than elsewhere--in order for it to have a chance of having evolved to a point at which it has become morally acceptable, according to leftist doctrine...

25 posted on 05/10/2012 8:00:08 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: yldstrk
"how do you stand living there"

It's a struggle every day.

26 posted on 05/10/2012 8:04:47 AM PDT by skimask
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To: SeekAndFind

The judge retired within a few weeks after he made his pro sodomite ruling.


27 posted on 05/10/2012 8:07:30 AM PDT by skimask
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To: skimask

What I meant was the judge should have recused himself from even hearing the case due to his sexual orientation BEFORE he even retired.

Was he known to be a homosexual when he took on the case?

This looks like a conflict of interest. Why do voters allow that?


28 posted on 05/10/2012 8:10:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: AppyPappy
This is a short term $$$ gain for O'Jerko but a long term loss for reelection.

You are so correct, deep rooted minorities in the south are against this big time.

29 posted on 05/10/2012 8:11:30 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Any Republican. Just NO Obama.)
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To: tobyhill
Gay marriage is not illegal, this point has to be made over and over. A gay couple can go to and reform Jewish synagogue or an Unitarian church to get married. Civil authorities have a support system or a registry in place to mirror their citizens. The bills that are passed in the states are to insure that the definition of marriage stays traditional. If not than a sister and brother could married or multi-partners could marry.
30 posted on 05/10/2012 8:12:36 AM PDT by wmap
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To: AGreatPer

Yeah but they will vote for him regardless. But he pushed away another segment of independents.
He’ll lose because the economy sucks, not gay marriage.


31 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just thinking about what these “gays” do to and with each other is disgusting. Look up the pictures of the San Francisco gay days to see what they now do in public.


32 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:22 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just thinking about what these “gays” do to and with each other is disgusting. Look up the pictures of the San Francisco gay days to see what they now do in public.


33 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:30 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Why does gay marriage keep losing at the ballot box?”

Hmm...

I’m gonna go out on a limb here... because the majority of American voters disagree with it?


34 posted on 05/10/2012 8:15:02 AM PDT by servo1969
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RE: because the majority of American voters disagree with it?

But the poll she (the writer) cites show that the majority of Americans AGREE with it... that’s what she can’t understand.


35 posted on 05/10/2012 8:16:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Gay marriage is increasingly accepted across the country. More Americans support gay marriage (47 percent) than oppose it (43 percent)...

Maybe, just maybe - when liberal poll takers call - hired by newspapers - with 'objective questions' formed by writers ( who are 90+% liberal) - maybe, just maybe the person being polled gives the answer desired.

Years ago to test this theory a group of women were given serving trays with two kinds of juice (small cups) and told to only say the names of the juice to people ('apple' - 'orange' etc.) - and not to say anything else. Turns out they gave away more of the juice they personally preferred even without giving any obvious hints at preference. (the servers were not told in advance what the experiment was about)

In the privacy of the voting booth, socially acceptable lies fall by the wayside. The need to be "PC" in order to be acceptable goes away... and people vote their truth. Democrats know this - it's why they DON'T want secret ballots for Unions. Journalists know the truth too... but it conflicts with 'the story' so they lie in their own ways.

36 posted on 05/10/2012 8:18:27 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think he came out of the closet until he made the ruling. So yes he should have recused himself but, as you know, liberals have a way to justify any behavior they choose.


37 posted on 05/10/2012 8:19:49 AM PDT by skimask
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To: SeekAndFind

When people talk to a pollster, they are afraid of being called a bigot if they say they oppose gay marriage, so they tell the pollster they are in favor of it.

When they get in the voting both, they vote they how they really think.


38 posted on 05/10/2012 8:21:25 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Don't mistake my vote for Romney as a vote FOR Romney, it's a vote against Obama.)
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To: yldstrk
NY and California voted down gay marriage
39 posted on 05/10/2012 8:21:27 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: SeekAndFind

While admitting that 38 states — a supermajority — have passed restrictions on homo marriage, the writer manufactures some mythical “nationwide movement toward legalization”. How can repeated rejections of homo marriage be reconciled with increasing acceptance?

Because one is a fact, and one is fiction. And the only polls that matter are the ones taken at the ballot box.


40 posted on 05/10/2012 8:25:15 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why does [not so] gay marriage keep losing at the ballot box?

Because people know that when two boys or two girls embrace, the fun parts don’t fit.


41 posted on 05/10/2012 8:26:32 AM PDT by lurk
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To: yldstrk

“I don’t care. California and NY are depraved”

The United States isn’t a loose confederation of completely different countries that just happen to share borders like Europe.

We’re one nation, and if you say CA and NY are depraved, you’re saying the United States of America is depraved. And that may very well be. But it doesn’t let you and your goody-two-shoes state, whatever it is, off the hook. It makes it your problem.

So stop trying to distance yourself. You’re not better than CA/NY.


42 posted on 05/10/2012 8:26:53 AM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: SeekAndFind

cmon, everyone in the lamestream media has the answer to this one...

It’s because voters are STOOPID! they’re STOOPID! STOOPID STOOPID STOOPID STOOPID STOOPID!!!!!

Don’t believe me just wait and see the op-eds the day after Obama loses the election.


43 posted on 05/10/2012 8:38:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: hoagy62
Or do you suppose it could be

44 posted on 05/10/2012 8:40:22 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: SeekAndFind

“the poll she (the writer) cites show that the majority of Americans AGREE with it... “

A poll is not a vote.


45 posted on 05/10/2012 8:47:05 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Blue Ink

“We’re one nation, and if you say CA and NY are depraved, you’re saying the United States of America is depraved. And that may very well be. But it doesn’t let you and your goody-two-shoes state, whatever it is, off the hook. It makes it your problem.

So stop trying to distance yourself. You’re not better than CA/NY.”

Jeez. Someone must have touched a nerve.


46 posted on 05/10/2012 8:50:13 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: MamaTexan
A LOT of it comes down to gays going from wanting to have privacy in their bedrooms, to wanting 'tolerance' of their lifestyle in public to now demanding legal endorsement of it.

Not a minor point...and one that won't show up in the type of polling done on this issue. By a large margin, the majority of people are accepting of their gay family members, friends and co-workers. They're just not interested in the details. And this is where the militant gay activists weigh in. Their goal is to have elementary schools put on rainbow pride parades in your neighborhood with mandatory attendance. Anyone caught not throwing fabulous confetti gets sent to the Village People tolerance camp.

These votes are about a line in the sand...and are largely out of self defense. It's heterosexuals who just want to be left alone.

47 posted on 05/10/2012 8:54:12 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: SeekAndFind

Sadly, Gay marriage will become accepted as law of the land under the pretense of “civil rights” If Obama is elected again I hope a bloody revolution starts so we can have some hope...My first post. I have been a lurker for years and have enjoyed reading everyones comments but now I must get involved more.


48 posted on 05/10/2012 8:58:03 AM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Primaries, like the one in North Carolina last night, are particularly low turnout affairs— giving opponents to gay marriage the edge.”

The leftists are OK with low turnout when the result is a millage increase! In fact, they hope for low turnouts when tax increases are an issue.


49 posted on 05/10/2012 9:00:22 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think there is any big mystery! When we get to vote on our values, most Americans will vote to retain our Judeo-Christian morals. It’s only when we don’t have a choice that the crazies get to erode our standards. For instance, do you think that The Ten Commandments would be taken down from any courtroom if the people could vote on it?


50 posted on 05/10/2012 9:08:49 AM PDT by myrabach
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