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Arizona high school forfeits championship game rather than face girl opponent
Fox News ^ | 5-10-2012 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 05/10/2012 1:11:45 PM PDT by servo1969

A state championship high school baseball game is over before tonight's first pitch, after one Arizona team forfeited rather than play an opponent with a girl in the lineup.

Our Lady of Sorrows refused to play Mesa Preparatory Academy in Thursday’s scheduled Arizona Charter Athletic Association state championship game, because that team has Paige Sultzbach at second base. The 15-year-old agreed to sit out a pair of regular season victories over Our Lady of Sorrows, which is run by the Society of St. Pius X, an traditionalist church that broke away from Roman Catholic Church over Vatican reforms in 1970. But with everything on the line tonight, Sultzbach wasn't willing to stay glued to the bench — even if it means no game at all.

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In a statement to FoxNews.com, an Our Lady of Sorrows official said the school had no choice but to forfeit because it has a strict policy prohibiting participation in co-ed athletics and believes in "forming and educating boys and girls" separately.

“Teaching our boys to treat ladies with deference, we choose not to place them in an athletic competition where proper boundaries can only be respected with difficulty,” the statement read. "Our school aims to instill in our boys a profound respect for women and girls."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: arizona; baseball; championship; girl
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To: dmz

Are you so naive? Haven’t you learn the ways of socialism better than that?

Do you know that the reason for political correctness is to prevent the truth from being spoken?

There is no reason in this world for a girl to be on an all boys team, except to bully the boys.


181 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:01 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: GunRunner
To: Flightdeck

Sounds like a bunch of guys who can’t get laid to save their life.

Get a room ; )

182 posted on 05/10/2012 7:47:58 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline For Sale)
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To: servo1969

I think the school’s stance is based on higher principles than “boy vs girl.” I applaud them for not bowing to the popular culture.

An analogy might be a president of a country bowing to what some perceive to be public pressure (a false perception) to endorse same sex so-called marriage or civil unions.

Boys aren’t girls and girls aren’t boys. Each is physically and mentally different. Attempting to trick up some high school or college or military scenario to show that there is no difference in the sexes is nonsensical and something straight out of the marxist handbook.


183 posted on 05/10/2012 7:57:51 PM PDT by citizen (Obama blames:arab spring,banks,big oil,bush,ceos,christians,coal,FNC,Jpn tsumani,T Party,wall st,you)
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To: GunRunner

HA! Wrong! Actually, I was a tomboy and faster than the boys (until age 12). I grew us in the middle of three brothers. Funny how biology changes at puberty and men become so much faster and stronger. I marveled at how much stronger my brothers were. My only daughter won a full scholarship to UM for sports. But, she had only brothers and there was no way I wanted her to play professionally against men. They could have killed her if they were playing to win—which in college and professional sports should be the main goal. Men shouldn’t have to learn “to be careful” when playing sports. It ruins excellence and waters down the play.

Coed leagues are different—and the ones my daughter and I were on were respectful of the girls—and were careful around them, as it should be. Athletic men should not go “all out” playing with women on the field. It is irrational to think that the most athletic women can hold their own against the most athletic men. The men could kill the women—in football, baseball, volleyball, soccer, etc. unless the men were forced to put the brakes on their play.

That is what Marxists want to destroy—all competition and “risk”—to eliminate football (Rush got it right)—all REAL competition which separate the men from women has got to be eliminated. They want men to be interchangeable with women so the family unit—the basic building block in society is destroyed—it destroys the emotional development of children.
Fatherless children fill up all the prisons and welfare programs. They are emotional cripples and will collapse the system.

You really need to study Marxist ideology and radical egalitarianism where they want to make the men interchangeable with women-———it is the reason communists founded the homosexual movement and feminist movement...and it is to pit men against women and make men sex objects and untrustful of other men (military) etc.

Overnite—no-—over decades. Ideas have consequences. Marxists are in control and will force all unnatural situations to destroy Natural Law—the basis of our Rights from God—so the State controls all rights and our principles that molded this country and a respect and dignity for the opposite sex is destroyed. What do you think homosexual “marriage” is all about???? It is to segregate the society like Afghanistan.

Marriage is the only institution which unites men and women. Trust is destroyed in all Marxists countries...Read Whittaker Chambers and Solzhenitsyn. They remove ALL trust between ALL groups. Marx was about destroying the family unit-—read Brave New World-—it is that vision where children are raised by the state and children are all engaging in sex and the word “mother and father” is disgusting.

You haven’t been very observant on fashion and the forcing of women out of the home so strangers can shape the worldview of their children. Twiggy was a real wet dream for a homosexual-—who designed women to look like little boys. The fashion industry escalated all sorts of health problems for girls— anorexia and other rare conditions......


184 posted on 05/10/2012 8:00:43 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: donna

There is no reason in this world for a girl to be on an all boys team, except to bully the boys.

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You have a very interesting way of viewing the world. I’ve coached coed teams at this age level. Have you? Have you ever seen what you comment on so passionately up close and personally? Or are you spouting theory only from behind a computer screen?

My experience in the real world does not match your theory.

And a mere technicality, if a girl is on the team, by definition, it is not an all boys team. The league in question permits female players.


185 posted on 05/10/2012 8:05:52 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Hot Tabasco

Our Lady of Sorrows is into Sharia? WTF?

And are you OK with boys going out for all of the girls sports in high school? We don’t know if title IX forced this on the league or not. All I said was the team stuck to their principles.


186 posted on 05/10/2012 8:10:26 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: savagesusie
OK, so are you backtracking on your claim that co-ed leagues were invented by Marxists and are a tool of communism?

Also, do you have any evidence of females fatalities in co-ed volleyball? What about going "all out" in mixed doubles tennis?

187 posted on 05/10/2012 8:11:16 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner

Hey, I could run circles around crippled men too. You missed my point....coed games are for fun and men need to watch out for the girls....if the athletic women play against an athletic man-—ranked the same by their sex-—like the best woman in the sport against the best man in the same sport....the man would KILL the woman and you know it. There is no equivalence in men and women when it comes to the best of each sex. Sure, you could find some nerd that any women can beat. Then my daughter as age 12 could be most grown men who never played “her” sport.

This idea that men and women are equal in strength comes from MARX. It is a BIG LIE. My daughter with a full scholarship to play sports at UM would have been killed if her team played against a male team and they played to win.


188 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:55 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

The leap from men’s superiority in upper body strength to Marxist ideology is a tad much. You’ve not made the case.

Like I suggested to another, you might want to put down your hammer, this isn’t a nail.


189 posted on 05/10/2012 8:19:48 PM PDT by dmz
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To: savagesusie

It sounds like you are backtracking because no one here ever claimed that men and women are equal physically in strength. You either misread or imagined it. The argument is also not relavent because the baseball league in question is a co-ed league.


190 posted on 05/10/2012 8:20:16 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: savagesusie

This idea that men and women are equal in strength comes from MARX.

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Hello!!!! No one on this thread had ever suggested this. It’s your own personal straw woman. Burn it.

Every now and again, a girl might make the team. It doesn’t validate Marx. It’s the odds.


191 posted on 05/10/2012 8:25:45 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

You are the tool of the Feminists and the big Federal Government:

Title IX is a portion of the Education Amendments of 1972, U.S. legislation also identified by the name of its principal author as the Patsy T. Mink (D) Equal Opportunity in Education Act. It states that

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance...
—Title 20 U.S.C. Sections 1681-1688

...In 1967, President Johnson issued a series of executive orders in order to make some clarifications. Before these clarifications were made, the National Organization for Women (NOW) persuaded President Johnson to include women in his executive orders...


192 posted on 05/10/2012 8:25:59 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: GunRunner

I am saying that the idea of radical egalitarianism is from Marx-—that men and women are interchangeable. It is an absurd lie that women can compete with men. Exceptions always-—but the rule—absolutely not.

Coed teams are for fun and men who hurt women on those teams are usually reviled.

It is important for boys to learn that you treat women with respect and dignity. ...playing in sports where kids get hurt—can condition boys to think it is ok to hurt girls if girls are on the team. That dignity and respect and fairness was always why women never were allowed on boys or mens teams. Forcing girls on football teams is Marxist. She has no future in it and it is to demean boys and men and create resentment.

Marx is always about creating hatred. Identity politics. Everyone is against everyone else. It hurts the dignity of men to have women do better on mens teams....so why would you want that to happen? What good does that do-—make the woman feel macho?


193 posted on 05/10/2012 8:27:04 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: dmz

It is to ridicule the men. Demean the patriarchy. It makes men resentful....exactly what happened when they forced girls on wrestling teams.....THAT was definitely a Marxist thing—to act like sex has no meaning in wrestling. Open your eyes. Girls are boys are rats are whatever. It is all Marxist-—they take the design out of men and women and act like there is no differences when there are TONS.


194 posted on 05/10/2012 8:32:42 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: GunRunner

Sorry.


195 posted on 05/10/2012 8:33:52 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Krankor

I live next to an elementary school. I can walk over in the morning and get a case of cootie shots. There:problem solved.


196 posted on 05/10/2012 8:35:44 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: donna

You are the tool of the Feminists and the big Federal Government:

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I’m going to take that as a no, you’ve not actually coached a coed team to see the actual, real life interactions between the two sexes on the athletic field at this age.

Having done so myself, I will, with your permission, lend a tad more credence to experience than theory.


197 posted on 05/10/2012 8:36:46 PM PDT by dmz
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To: donna

You’ve never met my wife or daughters. I would not want to be on the wrong end of their bayonets. If they volunteered, I would have the same horror as if it were my son. as an aside, I would hate to see anyone go to war with the government we have now.

And, if you knew my wife and girls, you would know you can’t “send” them anywhere they don’t want to be.


198 posted on 05/10/2012 8:40:00 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: savagesusie

I think you see Marxists where there are none. That is not to say that Marxists don’t exist. They just aren’t the reason for everything. Like girl second basemen. On one team that happens to make the news.


199 posted on 05/10/2012 8:42:39 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

Yes, I know. But I had some time to kill in between projects and I am well read on child psychology, school curricula and the Communist Manifesto. Thought I would reveal some of what I have been reading.

Divisions of men and women are being blurred on purpose to confuse the children, while forming worldview. Worldview of these children will determine our future. I want the Christian paradigm-—which has been the most wonderful for women—for my daughter. No other ideology has given women such dignity and respect and freedom in the history of the world. But I also want dignity and respect for men.

Marx destroys the humanity of both women and men.


200 posted on 05/10/2012 8:42:44 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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