Posted on 05/11/2012 1:36:20 PM PDT by jjotto
Ron Paul's strength is a loud shout that Romney hasn't closed the deal.
You’re delusional, almost as much so as Ron Paul.
Ron Paul - Iran’s favorite candidate more than 0’Hussien O’Zero
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I did not mean to indicate Ron Paul could be the nominee. Paul’s strength indicates that Romney couldn’t motivate the GOP-E in Iowa to fight for party control.
kook paul supporters have always been disconnected from reality.
kook paul is just gloming onto a very specific subset of voter. Thos are the same fringe that would vote for a third party regardless.
You are correct.
But the point isn’t Paul, it is that the Establishment can’t keep control.
The Tired Old Party might be ripe for a Tea Party-type takeover.
I had assumed that the behind-the-scenes guys in the GOP would keep the Iowa GOP leadership in the Romney camp. That Paulistinians could bounce them means that almost anyone could.
Maybe the reason why the national RINOs are taking TV jobs is because they know that they can’t be power brokers anymore.
” - - - This is a follow-up because so many FReepers and the MSM misunderstand how Iowa actually chooses Republican National Convention delegates.”
You can say that again!
First Bachmann wins the Iowa Straw Poll. Then Romney wins the early count of the Iowa Caucuses, and within a shake of a lamb’s tail Santorum wins in the late count.
Now your article predicts that Ron Paul will have the majority of voting delegates from Iowa.
If Paul’s plan to cut 1 TRILLION dollars in year-to-year Federal spending, and abolish 5 Federal Departments are the main reasons for Iowa Delegates to thaw out their opposition to Paul, then it might later be said that “the way Iowa goes, so goes the Nation.”
BTW, “T” is for Texas, Tampa and those of us who are TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!”
So a shout out from a liberal nut bag to a liberal RINO is supposed to make us feel better?
I can’t stand either Romney or Paul. I won’t vote for either of them. But especially Paul. I hate truthers and I won’t support one. He needs to go back to the libertarian party and STFU. He needs to take his Occutards along with him.
I’m voting for Ron Paul because there is no way I will vote for Romney.
If conservatives can increase their numbesr in House, and take control of the Senate, whoever is our president won’t be able to do a lot to screw us.
I’m not anti Paul, but his supporters are very disruptive and always seem to be looking for trouble and causing chaos within the Party; anyway, that’s what’s happening in AZ.
They call themselves patriots and behave like thugs.
Here are some more reasons to vote for Ron Paul in the remaining Primary elections:
1.) It will drive the Liberal Agenda Media (LAM) and their Rove-style political consultants NUTS!
2.) It will deny statistical support to Romney.
3.) It could result in an OPEN Convention in Tampa.
4.) It would irritate the snot out of the GOP-E.
5.) It will put the GOP-E on notice that we think that their RINO Party has done NOTHING since we sent 89 TEA Party men and women to the US Congress in 2010.
6.) An OPEN Convention is our ONLY chance of a successful DUMP ROMNEY campaign.
7.) A superb, true “Dark Horse” Republican Nominee needs an OPEN Convention to replace Romney.
BTW, did I mention the sheer joy of the GOP-Endorsers publicly eating crow?
[To Jim Robinson: No need to reply, as this is just a FYI.]
Actually, the Paul people are very well organized and are pulling off upsets like this in state delegations all over the US. That is, the “official” tally is wildly different from the *actual* delegates.
Importantly, while they do not have the “juice” to win the nomination, they can hopefully block the onerous Romney from a first ballot win. And that can mean “peace and love” between Paul supporters and conservatives.
That is, instead of the onerous Romney, conservatives, who will probably be 60-70% of the total delegates, will get to choose the nominee. However, that nominee is going to have to offer a *lot* to the Paul people for their support.
Importantly, what the prospective conservative will agree to is the “overlap” between conservatives and Paul libertarians. And that is a very big overlap.
In practical terms, my guesses to what the conservative will have to agree to:
1) BIG cuts in government, not just cuts in the rate of growth of government. And this is not just him, but the congressional leadership is going to have to agree to this as well.
2) A strong defense, but a lot less foreign involvement in wars that do not directly affect us. With the president not acting unilaterally anymore.
3) Returning a LOT of federal power to the states. This includes giving a LOT of their land back. Massive conventional energy development. Much more mining. The end to treaties that seek to erode American power.
4) De-police stating much of the US.
There is a lot here that conservatives and Paul supporters can agree on.
What you’ve posted is the recipe for the death of the Iowa caucuses. About damn time too.
The Iowa caucuses, as you know, are part of the political party ‘housekeeping’ that is required in a free democracy. Every state has caucuses (or equivalent meetings) to organize political parties. Not every state uses caucuses to select presidential candidates, and neither does Iowa.
The non-binding Iowa caucus presidential preference vote isn’t going away because Iowa would be willing to take a delegate penalty (as Florida does) to keep advertising dollars coming in.
People need to grow up and understand the presidential preference vote at the Iowa caucuses doesn’t really mean anything on an official level.
The whole caucus process ought to eventually have the national convention delegation reflect delegates that respect the vote on caucus night. What we have now is a total co-opting of the process and Ron-freaking Paul in the running to have a majority of Iowa’s delegation to the national convention. That is so freakin’ wrong. I don’t have to leave the Iowa Republican party... it left me.
I like the way you think!
In my experience, Paultards don’t have staying power. I attribute Paul’s showing not to crafty supporters, but to Romney-fatigued party regulars just backing away. I’m guessing the off-year caucuses in 2014 (yes, there are caucuses in Iowa in non-presidential election years) will be ripe for a takeover by Tea Party/social conservatives.
In even large Iowa precincts, a group of ten people (sometimes less) who plan ahead can pretty much take over a caucus. Find local friends and plan ahead.
Iowa’s Republican establishment has gone from domination by people who care exclusively about abortion who, after the court decision, added gay marriage to their litmus test... to being taken over by Paulbots that are already turning-off donors, drying up the money spigot coming into the state party... a finance guy that was slated to stay on thru the state convention recently quit. It’s not going to get better any time soon.
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