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To: norwaypinesavage
Here is my own witness, as an LDS, norway.

There are any number of ministers, individuals, and churche's who recognize the obvious. If we profess Jesus of Nazareth, born miraculously in Bethlehem, as the Son of God and accept Him as our personal Savior through the Atonement He wrought on the Cross, and acknowledge our love for Him and that He is Lord and Savior, then despite whatever other doctrinal differences we have, we are, by definition Christian.

I so acknowledge Him beofre yopu and everyone else who reads this.

There are those, who in their hearts, will not allow us this. But Christ will be my Judge, and He knows my heart, and I am content to let Him do the Judging.

MY WITNESS FOR JESUS CHRIST

God's speed to you and yours.

312 posted on 05/13/2012 9:52:41 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (wwwOh ...now I see..dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
See my post 312.

God's speed to you and yours, hope you had a wonderful Sabbath and that you and yours had a wonderful Mother's Day.

We did...had four of the eight grandkids over and three of the five kids.

Mom (my wonderful wife Gail of 34 years) was lovin' it after we got home from Church.

BTW, I was raised Baptist myself down in my native Texas. Good folks, and a great pastor...many good friends to this day...and they know we are Christian because they know us and we worked together in our community, even after our conversion.

And I recognize and accept them as Christians too. Followers of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are we all.

Funny how folks who know you, and have felt the spirit as we did things together, come to that cnclusion, eh? Though there were some, like some of these folks, who would deny us our own heart felt faith as if it were theirs to Judge.

BZ.

America at the Crossroads of History

313 posted on 05/13/2012 10:01:25 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (wwwOh ...now I see..dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
You may be a Christian, Jeff, but Mormonism is not a Christian sect. The following from the actual teachings of the leadership in MormonISM will suffice to illustrate:

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

"Again, they will try to tell how the divinity of Jesus is joined to his humanity, and exhaust all their mental faculties, and wind up with this profound language, as describing the soul of man, "it is an immaterial substance!" What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.
I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost."
[ LDS Prophet Bingham Young, JoD 1:50-51 April 9, 1852]

"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346)

It is important to know, however, that for the overwhelming majority of mankind, eternal progression has very definite limitations. In the full sense, eternal progression is enjoyed only by those who receive exaltation. Exalted persons gain the fullness of the Father; they have all power, all knowledge, and all wisdom; they gain a fullness of truth, becoming one with the Father. All other persons are assigned lesser places in the mansions that are prepared, and their progression is not eternal and unlimited but in a specified sphere. There will be truths such persons never learn, powers they never possess. They are "ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory," and they so continue "to all eternity, and ... forever and ever." (D. & C. 132:16-17.)

Those who gain exaltation, having thus enjoyed the fullness of eternal progression, become like God. It should be realized that God is not progressing in knowledge, truth, virtue, wisdom, or any of the attributes of godliness. He has already gained these things in their fullness. But he is progressing in the sense that his creations increase, his dominions expand, his spirit offspring multiply, and more kingdoms are added to his domains. (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 5-10.)

In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)


[ Smith's worldview of time as it pertains to the gods: Smith believed in a "beginning" that was operative before the Mormon plan to the create this world. The question becomes, who is the head of the Gods as pertains to this ‘council of gods?]

In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)

You may be a hristian, Jeff, but LDS inc is not a Christian sect. You say you will be so kind as to 'let Jesus judge you', but do you believe you have to earn the forgiveness He offers through His Cross? Are you an honest Mormon, Jeff? You may be a Christian, Jeff, but the above teachings from the leadership of your ISM show they were not about Christianity as found in the Bible. MormonISM was founded by a peepstone conman sexual predator of married women. Do you really believe God would 'endorse' Joseph Smith? ... And we've seen the insertion of defamation of King David, so don't try that one, Jeff. David was a man after God's own heart, because David had a broken and contrite spirit when he was shown his sinfulness. Joseph Smith pointed and fired a loaded pistol or two when shown his sinfulness.

314 posted on 05/13/2012 10:20:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Jeff Head

Your Judge is the only one that counts.


317 posted on 05/14/2012 3:35:59 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Jeff Head
Here is my own witness, as an LDS, norway.

Do you have another link? One that shows My Witness for MORMONism?

323 posted on 05/14/2012 3:57:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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