Posted on 05/17/2012 11:58:03 AM PDT by dragnet2
“It may come as a shock to you, but ya can’t allow in tens of millions illegally, and not expect it to change a country’s history/culture/direction. Those who can’t grasp this are extremely ignorant or naive.”
It’s not a shock to me.
You missed the entire point of my post to you. Please read it again.
Perhaps I should have added a “sarcasm off” symbol....
Republicans are going to have as much success luring Hispanics “to our side” as they have had with blacks. How’s that workin’ out?
Your suggestions for, "Luring" them, as you say?
I was once told by someone in Texas, the illegals in Texas, were hard working, honorable family conservatives...But was assured those in CA, Arizona, Nevada, and other parts of the country are leftist welfare collecting socialist, destroying the country.
Ya got to love some of the comments people come up with.
bttt
Utter BS!!!!
This is predicated upon the fact that the person is in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance. Anyone who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t American at all. We have room but for one flag, the American Flag. We have room for but one language here and that is the English language. We have room for but one sole loyalty and that is loyalty to the American people. (Teddy Roosevelt, 1907)
“Conservative” is not limited to Americans. I have known many ethnically Mexican, American citizens who are too right wing to be called “conservatives”. We used to jokingly call them “Diazistas”, after Porfirio Diaz, who tried to modernize and industrialize Mexico (and whose life and downfall was very similar to the Shah of Iran).
I have also known many ethnically Mexican, American citizens, who were adamantly *not* “Mexican-Americans”, but insistently “Americans”, and who utterly rejected “Mexicanisms”, like La Raza, MEChA, and were steadfast against illegal immigration. (Big supporters of Jesse Helms in his time. Extraordinarily anti-communist.)
Importantly, the Mexican and Mexican-American and ethnically Mexican, American, split is not the same as the typical American left-right split, based on the history of Mexico which only rarely parallels US history.
Mexico had two bloody civil wars, in 1810 and 1910, was invaded by France and the US, had the first “industrial ethnic cleansing” of the 20th Century (the internal deportation of the Yaqui Indians), then had the equivalent of more than half a century of political domination by the ‘more’ right wing PRI, which was thoroughly corrupt.
Yet under the PRI, they were friendly with communist Cuba, and accepted Leon Trotsky in exile. Yet again, any Mexican who advocated communism was likely to be killed by the authorities. Very schizophrenic.
After the 1910 revolutions, where even affiliation with the wrong side could get a village massacred, Mexicans pretty well gave up on monolithic politics, if for no other reason that only *half* the village would be massacred.
This is one hell of a lot of baggage brought to the US from their home country, and why they do not easily fit into the easy dichotomy of either US political camp.
Likewise, ethnic Mexicans, to a large extent, are “thinking” voters. For them, actions speak louder than words, most would prefer good jobs over government largess, and if someone speaks against them, they *believe* him, and don’t ignore his attitude “because his politics are right.”
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