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Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George Zimmerman And Punching Him "MMA Style"
thesmokinggun.com ^ | May 17, 2012

Posted on 05/18/2012 11:51:42 AM PDT by grundle

A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest.

The witness’s account was included in Sanford Police Department reports released today.

Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness--whose name was redacted from police documents--said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence.

The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'”

The witness--who was in his living room and about 30 feet away from the confrontation-- said he called out to the two men that he was dialing 911. “He then heard a ‘pop,’” police reported, and saw the black male “laid out on the grass.”

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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1 posted on 05/18/2012 11:51:45 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

I guess I need to get out more.

What’s “MMA Style”?

(Yeah, I know what MMA is).


2 posted on 05/18/2012 11:54:07 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: grundle

“MMA Style”. Sounds like a good choice by Zimmerman to me!


3 posted on 05/18/2012 11:54:17 AM PDT by albie
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To: DuncanWaring

elbows?

heck I have no idea


4 posted on 05/18/2012 11:57:33 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. and the economy died.)
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To: grundle
God made all men.
Sam Colt made all men equal.

Taller? Younger? Training in MMA?
[shrug]
Didn't help, did it?

5 posted on 05/18/2012 11:58:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: DuncanWaring

on his knees, straddling over zimmerman, throwing rapid, repeated punches to the head.

it’s vicious


6 posted on 05/18/2012 11:58:37 AM PDT by Principled
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To: grundle

Finding the ID of this guy ought to now be impossible.....’s


7 posted on 05/18/2012 11:59:08 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: DuncanWaring

“What’s “MMA Style”?”

Mixed martial arts.


8 posted on 05/18/2012 12:00:10 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts

I had to look it up too.

9 posted on 05/18/2012 12:00:18 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Principled

That’s gotta hurt.


10 posted on 05/18/2012 12:00:42 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Taller? Younger? Training in MMA? [shrug] Didn't help, did it?

Don't bring MMA skills to a gunfight.
11 posted on 05/18/2012 12:02:28 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Principled

rapid hammer punches?


12 posted on 05/18/2012 12:03:02 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: DuncanWaring
Mixed Martel Art
13 posted on 05/18/2012 12:03:50 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: DuncanWaring
Mixed Martel Art
14 posted on 05/18/2012 12:04:57 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: grundle
CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, Jackson, Sharpton, Obama, Holder, NYT, LAT, Washington Post, Politico, SPLC, NAACP, and many others too numerous to mention should be embarrassed for their actions...but they aren't because they have no ethics or conscience. The actions by all of these in this case are reprehensible. This incident is going to be the wake up call for most people to arm themselves and no longer trust the MSM and race baiters.
15 posted on 05/18/2012 12:05:43 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: grundle

With all of this overwhelming evidence; why is this case even open?
Martin’s parents should apologize to Zimmerman.


16 posted on 05/18/2012 12:06:03 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: grundle

The evidence continues to accumulate that it was a righteous kill. The defense seems to have testimonial and physical evidence on its side.


17 posted on 05/18/2012 12:06:42 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Principled
Yes it is.

That's what I did to the SOB that almost bit my finger off.

Had they not pulled me off of him I probably would have killed him.

Every-time you hit them the back of their head hits pavement.

18 posted on 05/18/2012 12:06:43 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: ClearCase_guy

Watching some MMA or UFC fights is a far cry from “MMA training.” Rest assured that if a properly trained mixed martial artist had you pinned on the ground in a full mount, you would have a VERY difficult time getting to any weapon that you might have.

The fact that a street thug tried to emulate what he saw on TV doesn’t make him properly trained.

A gun is not a shield or magic wand. Don’t foolishly think such.


19 posted on 05/18/2012 12:07:37 PM PDT by Jones511
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To: SandRat

Mixed Martial Arts


20 posted on 05/18/2012 12:08:38 PM PDT by Jones511
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To: grundle
MMA style punching:

yes, that is almost 50 year old Herschel Walker in the bottom pics.

21 posted on 05/18/2012 12:10:46 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: DaveyB

Your knuckles wouldn’t be injured from hammer punches.


22 posted on 05/18/2012 12:13:16 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Jones511
Did you seriously think that I was attempting to make an assertion that Trayvon Martin was fully trained in MMA? A renowned expert in this fighting art?

Did you seriously think that I was attempting to make an assertion that having a gun in a pocket is a magic shield whereby no man on earth can do harm to the possessor of the gun?

I assure you I was not saying these things. I merely meant to imply that people who bring guns to fistfights are making a wise choice. But -- I hasten to add -- this is probably not necessarily true in precisely 100% of all cases. Just true in a lot of cases.

23 posted on 05/18/2012 12:14:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: commish

I saw Herschel about 7-8 years ago at a client’s offices. He was doing some promotional work for them.

The guy looked fit as could be then, too. This in GA, so all the gals were just swooning over him.


24 posted on 05/18/2012 12:16:26 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DuncanWaring

“Ground and pound,” I think they call it...basically, use wrestling moves to get the opponent on the ground on his back with your weight on top of him (or jump on him if you knock him off balance/he falls) and start raining punches down on his head. If done right, he can’t throw you off because of leverage and because he’s too busy dodging, or taking, blows to the head.

}:-)4


25 posted on 05/18/2012 12:17:39 PM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: DuncanWaring
What’s "MMA Style"?

When a fighter has his opponent in a vulnerable situation and starts hammer fisting him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA

26 posted on 05/18/2012 12:19:27 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The best diplomat I know is a fully-activated phaser bank. - Montgomery Scott)
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To: commish

That’s seriously Herschel Walker? Good grief. He looks like he could STILL run people over!

}:-)4


27 posted on 05/18/2012 12:19:39 PM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: grundle

Little baby faced Trayvon did that? NO WAY! /sarc


28 posted on 05/18/2012 12:27:36 PM PDT by crosshairs
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To: grundle

I want to know:

“Where was Trayvon’s body relative to Zimmermans vehicle?”


29 posted on 05/18/2012 12:36:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Fedor was a beast. He only lost one fight from 2000-2009.


30 posted on 05/18/2012 1:02:56 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: grundle
Ok, here is a question.

If Trayvon was sitting on George's chest, pounding on him, how did George get to his gun?

If he was carrying it IWB (inside the waistband), it seems to me it would be very difficult for him to reach the gun (reference the MMA pictures).

Just asking....

31 posted on 05/18/2012 1:19:36 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Envisioning

I would suggest not using the MMA pics as exact models of what Trayvon did. He wasn’t an expert.

Second, the witness quote never uses the words “sitting on Zimmerman’s chest”.

Does say “on top of him” and “astride him”.

This was at night and this witness wasn’t in immediate proximity, so all he could see is what he could see, at night and from his vantage point.

I would say Zimmerman had an advantage in one respect about the gun...he KNEW he was armed and where it was, whereas Trayvon didn’t know either one when he jumped him.

My money is on Z being able to find a way to get that gun, and I don’t believe for a second that this will be a problem for the defense to explain.

Just sayin’, though, the defense is not required to prove Zimmerman innocent...the prosecution is required to prove him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.


32 posted on 05/18/2012 1:33:54 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: grundle
Looks like the punk Trayvon should have minded his own business and got the hell out of the area when he knew he didn't belong. Instead he attacked Zimmerman and “POP” and the attack was over.
33 posted on 05/18/2012 1:35:14 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: txrangerette
Good points!

And a 'banglist' (((ping)))

34 posted on 05/18/2012 1:36:22 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Envisioning
If he was carrying it IWB (inside the waistband), it seems to me it would be very difficult for him to reach the gun

Just Asking? Maybe while Trayvon's hands were busy beating Zimmerman's head he forgot Zimmermans hands and the possibility that the gun was where they normally are, in his waistband.

35 posted on 05/18/2012 1:41:24 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me

All Trayvon needed to do was either call 911 and report he was being followed, or hightail it to the apartment which was very close by, or both.

It’s true when people say this didn’t need to happen.

But it’s Trayvon’s actions that brought it down.

He attacked an armed man who was left with no choice but to shoot him.

Zimmerman hesitated...we know that because he was yelling for help, then when no one actually came and helped him out...the witness called 911 but didn’t get physically involved...he did what he had to.


36 posted on 05/18/2012 1:46:21 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: grundle

Don’t know why the mediots act like this is something new. There is a news clip from 2/27 IIRC linked to the local Orlando newspaper where the reporter

1.) talks to this witness, John, who won’t give is last name or show his face

2.) talks to Tracy Martin and Brandi as well. Brandi said Trayvon was sitting on the porch.


37 posted on 05/18/2012 2:37:15 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: grundle

There is an interesting point about Trayvon Martin’s assault on George Zimmerman that has been overlooked. A witness stated that he saw Martin hitting Zimmerman with Mixed Martial Arts style punches. This statement is important because Mixed Martial Arts style punches involve hitting with the heel of the palm or the side of the hand, rather than the knuckles of the fist.

Such striking techniques would explain the lack of extensive bruising of Trayvon’s fists, although there was some bruising on his fists. But more to the point, it is much easier to slam someone’s head against the sidewalk using an alternate repeated pushing and striking motion of right and left hands while striking with the heel of the palms against Zimmerman’s face. This would look like a rapid, alternate pushing motion of the right and left arms as they strike Zimmerman and slam his face into the concrete. This action would be much faster, easier and more powerful than striking with the fists. No wonder Zimmerman feared for his life.

Now the question is where did an innocent, poor, little dear darling boy like Trayvon learn to street fight like that?


38 posted on 05/18/2012 2:39:36 PM PDT by Hansecker
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To: txrangerette
Two very good points: Trayvon could have 1. Gone home, 2. Called 911, or 3. Politely asked Mr. Zimmerman if he needed to see some ID.

Assaulting a complete stranger was not a recommended course of action. Guess he'll know the next time.

39 posted on 05/18/2012 2:59:01 PM PDT by Chainmail
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To: Chainmail

This data dump (on a friday dominated by facebook) only proves:

1. the prosecution has no case and they knew it from day one.

2. There is more than one REASONABLE doubt. (hence zimmerman walks)

3. There is a preponderance of the evidence and this is where the judge will be measured.


40 posted on 05/18/2012 3:02:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Envisioning

I’ve been wondering if Martin tried to get Zimmerman’s gun.


41 posted on 05/18/2012 3:29:20 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The longer you hold tiger by the tail, the hungrier he gets.)
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To: commish

Incredible. He’s got the body of an extremely fit 25 year old.


42 posted on 05/18/2012 3:36:55 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: ZX12R
Don't bring MMA skills to a gunfight.............
43 posted on 05/18/2012 4:40:07 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: grundle

Trayvon acting as referee in an interracial street brawl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4eaaWJdFM


44 posted on 05/18/2012 6:11:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Envisioning
If Trayvon was sitting on George's chest, pounding on him, how did George get to his gun?

In the original statement to police by Zimmerman, he said that Martin grabbed for his gun, so he grabbed for it, and during the struggle... boom... Martin keeled over backwards.

45 posted on 05/18/2012 9:01:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: txrangerette
.he KNEW he was armed and where it was, whereas Trayvon didn’t know either one when he jumped him.

IIRC, Mr. Zimmerman said that while he was on his back, Mr. Martin saw his gun (which was in his holster/waistband), and made some remark like "Now I'm going to get you", and grabbed for the gun. Zimmerman did too. Guess who probably got it by the barrel and pulled on it while it was aimed at his chest?

46 posted on 05/18/2012 9:04:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Not if his front room window is 30 feet from where the dead guy bled all over the place.

What the hell took this little tidbit so long to see the light?


47 posted on 05/18/2012 9:12:23 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: grundle

48 posted on 05/18/2012 9:16:32 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: vetvetdoug

“The actions by all of these in this case are reprehensible.”

INCLUDING the PROSECUTOR! Zimmerman should be freed NOW, and sue Florida for $$$$$!


49 posted on 05/18/2012 10:00:28 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Hansecker; grundle

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/

The best site I’ve seen for info on the Martin/Zimmerman case. Extensive photos, videos of Martin fighting, all kinds of stuff.


50 posted on 05/20/2012 8:22:18 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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