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To: philman_36
Yeppers! They changed the law to accommodate 0bama - back in 1949 - knowing that it would accommodate 0bama who was going to be born a dozen years later in 1961!

The power of this conspiracy is just breath taking!

145 posted on 05/23/2012 10:09:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream; Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
They changed the law to accommodate 0bama - back in 1949...
I never claimed the laws were changed to accommodate 0bama so I have no idea why you're reply was directed at me.
(well, I do have an idea why you've done so, but I won't go there today)

Please address your comments to Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America who made the following comment at @reply 100.
Hawaii changed their law to accommodate Obama.

147 posted on 05/23/2012 10:18:10 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: allmendream

They didn’t change the law; they just decided not to obey the one still in effect. They are refusing to let anybody even SEE either the original or a copy of an original birth certificate. Not even somebody expressly authorized to get a certified copy. That totally violates UIPA. According to UIPA anybody who is expressly authorized by law to have access to a record MUST be allowed to inspect it, which includes copying it. The HDOH refuses to allow either.

But just for birth certificates.They’ll allow certified copies of original death certificates. Something particular about birth certificates I guess...

At http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm is says:

Ҥ338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]”

Nowhere does that say that if an applicant requests a certified copy of a certificate the HDOH can instead give them the contents of the certificate. It says that UPON REQUEST the HDOH SHALL provide to the applicant (the person who is applying for a SPECIFIC record) certified copy, contents, or a part of the certificate. What was applied for is what must be issued, as long as the requirements in 338-16, 339-17, and 338-18 are met.

The copy that was requested can be made by one of several processes, if approved by the Director of Health. But the HDOH Administrative Rules - which are still in effect and which bind the Director of Health - specify that certified copies of standard birth certificates MUST be made by photocopy, microfilm, or typing. Computer abstract not allowed.

So what, exactly, is the HDOH afraid is going to happen if they let people see the original birth certificate of themselves or their close relatives? Why violate UIPA, HRS 338-13, and the HDOH Administrative Rules rather than allow the people the records are about to be in on the secret of what was reported about them?

Explain that to me.


159 posted on 05/23/2012 11:38:50 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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