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To: New Jersey Realist
The only way that could be a true statement is if the parents were foreign diplomats.

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No. Here are Trumbull's (Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee) own words on what both the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause both mean, stated to Congress when the Senate Judiciary Committee was crafting the 14th Amendment:

"What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means"
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=14

Obama was admittedly (on DNC's "Fight the Smears" website) born a Brit via his father. Barack Obama owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign at birth.

55 posted on 05/30/2012 10:23:18 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: Rides3
To read about the Senate Judiciary Committee's and Trumbull's role in the drafting of the 14th Amendment, scroll down to 'Amendments to the Constitution,' here:
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/about/history/index.cfm
56 posted on 05/30/2012 10:30:31 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: Rides3

No. Here are Trumbull’s (Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee) own words on what both the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause both mean, stated to Congress when the Senate Judiciary Committee was crafting the 14th Amendment:

“What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means”

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That is right a foreign diplomat owes allegiance to the country he represents.

Madison says the same thing.

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”


63 posted on 05/30/2012 11:18:13 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Rides3; New Jersey Realist
Another quote from Trumbull that appears to contradict what you posted. From Congressional Globe P572
“"The senator from Missouri and myself desire to arrive at the same point precisely, and that is to make citizens of everybody born in the United States who owe allegiance to the United States. We cannot make a citizen of the child of a foreign minister who is temporarily residing here. There is a difficulty in framing the amendment so as to make citizens of all the people born in the United States, and who owe allegiance to it. I thought that might, perhaps, be the best form in which to put the amendment at one time, 'that all persons born in the United States, and owing allegiance thereto, are hereby declared to be citizens;' but, upon investigation, it was found that a sort of allegiance was due to the country from persons temporarily residing in it whom we would have no right to make citizens,”
So the purpose of Trumbull's exclusion was avoid conferring citizenship on children of foreign diplomats.
67 posted on 05/30/2012 11:35:23 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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