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Perspectives: Heads they win, tails we lose [No ABO!]
St. George Utah.com ^ | June 1, 2012 | Bryan Hyde

Posted on 06/02/2012 8:58:03 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: greyfoxx39

And YOU are trying to spin them into some kind of “criticism of Jim.” They are such criticism only if YOU would find fault with Jim for not making the LDS organization influence upon Mitt an issue. You get implicated, sir. Not me.


101 posted on 06/02/2012 3:27:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

ROFL...It’s hilarious when a MittBot tries to scuttle around and deny his own words....or tries to build a straw man to hide behind...LOLOL!


102 posted on 06/02/2012 3:37:09 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I floated the issue to Mr. Jim as a question. I was not truly convinced it was a problem, because if it was, Mitt would then have to explain the situation to the whole bloomin’ world. But if anyone has a reason to oppose Mitt, Jim would, and if THIS reason was valid, Jim ought to have found out by now.

It’s you that came at it like a battering ram. And now you are trying to back off and blame it on me?

Yep it’s funny to watch you scurry around and do the things you accuse me of.


103 posted on 06/02/2012 3:41:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Jim Robinson
But if anyone has a reason to oppose Mitt, Jim would, and if THIS reason was valid, Jim ought to have found out by now.

Oh, so now you're critizing JR because he isn't fully informed on issues?

Sounds to me like you just got your feelingS hurt because JR didn't take the bait you put out there for him.

ANNNNNDDD it's ALL MY FAULT!.


104 posted on 06/02/2012 3:45:44 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: dalereed
Why don’t you lazy bastards type it out?

We are trying to conserve bandwidth on Free Republic. The more words we type out on Free Republic, the more overhead and the more frequent the Freepathons.

By conserving webspace, such as using GOP-e (for GOP establishment) and by using VABO (vote anybody but Obama), we do not use up our allotment of words as quickly.

I urge everybody to use as many abbreviations as possible when typing out replies on the Free Republic so that we do not use up so much webspace. Then we can focus on taking back the United States of America and defeating Barack Hussein Obama and his circlejerk of marxist fools.

105 posted on 06/02/2012 3:53:15 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: greyfoxx39

You are the one coming at an issue that isn’t a big deal to His Jimness, with a sledge hammer. Wanna imply that Jim is an ignoramus? Go right ahead be my guest. I take Jim as a logical authority on all troublesome things Mitt at this juncture. That is, the things that matter.


106 posted on 06/02/2012 3:57:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: SamAdams76

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108 posted on 06/02/2012 3:58:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: dalereed
Oceanside, CA 92057
109 posted on 06/02/2012 4:00:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I take Jim as a logical authority on all troublesome things Mitt at this juncture. That is, the things that matter.

That's hard to believe, given your posting history. Go away. I'm tired of your idiocy.

110 posted on 06/02/2012 4:15:41 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Sherman Logan; P-Marlowe
He got only about 40% of the popular vote, but 60% of the electoral vote. This was made inevitable by his opponents splitting their vote up three ways

So, you are suggesting that a 3rd party has a chance of winning. Interesting. I've been saying that all along.

111 posted on 06/02/2012 4:16:15 PM PDT by xzins (Vote for Goode Not Evil! (The lesser of 2 evils is still evil!))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

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112 posted on 06/02/2012 4:18:18 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: X-spurt

Trying to hijack the thread?


113 posted on 06/02/2012 4:18:44 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Sherman Logan
We have, for better and worse, a two-party system.

There may have been a time when that was the case. Today, we have two divisions of a single party - the inside the beltway, elitist party, who are both beholden to special interests. They main difference between the two are which group of crony capitalists and insiders get the larger portion of the spoils.

Left completely out in the wilderness is the average American citizen.

114 posted on 06/02/2012 4:29:15 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: xzins

Well, no.

Lincoln was the nominee of one of the two main parties.

Two other “third parties” split off part of the support of the other main party, ensuring Republican victory.

Just as one or more truly effective conservative 3rd parties would be the most efficient way to re-elect Obama.


115 posted on 06/02/2012 4:33:28 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

No, Lincoln was the nominee of the new Republican party (only one nominee prior to Lincoln, Fremont, I believe.) The established parties were Whigs and Democrats.


116 posted on 06/02/2012 4:39:09 PM PDT by xzins (Vote for Goode Not Evil! (The lesser of 2 evils is still evil!))
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To: xzins

Nope, there was no Whig Party in 1860.

The last presidential election where the Whigs were at all functional was 1852, when they got 42 of 296 electoral votes.

They were largely replaced by the Republicans in 1856 as the opponents of the Democrats, when they ran Fremont. That year the Democrats got 174 electoral votes, the Republicans 114, and the Whigs the grand total of 8.

By 1860 “the two parties” were the Democrats, who split themselves three ways, and the Republicans, who stayed united. The Whigs didn’t exist.


117 posted on 06/02/2012 4:54:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan; P-Marlowe

So you’re telling me that the Republicans went from zero representation in 1852 to respectability in one election, 1856, and to victory in 2 elections, 1860.

That means a new party can be grown pretty quickly.


118 posted on 06/02/2012 5:06:48 PM PDT by xzins (Vote for Goode Not Evil! (The lesser of 2 evils is still evil!))
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To: xzins
That means a new party can be grown pretty quickly.

Calm down, it's already happening. They're called TEApublicans.

119 posted on 06/02/2012 5:10:15 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: xzins

Sure can, if one party falls apart.

This has only happened once in US history.

More commonly, when a third party starts to make inroads, one of the established parties changes in such a way as to siphon off its support.

But even using the Whig collapse as an example, you’re looking at 8 t0 12 years to bring a new party to the point where it can win an election, during which period the remaining established party is unchallenged.

What will our country look like after 8 to 12 years of leftist control? Would there even be real elections after that period?


120 posted on 06/02/2012 5:33:59 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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