I have not read one post here that spouts any hate towards police officers. I do not hate police officers. What I hate is the sometimes blatant overuse of force and lack of discretion of the police force these days.
The feeling you note towards “Law Enforcement Officers” is due to their own actions and attitude to ordinary law abidibg citizens. At one time on this forum, they were universaly respected. Their actions and deeds changed that. They have no one to blame but themselves. At one time I taught my children and grandchildren that the police were their friends. They should not fear them. I no longer do that. I now fear the police more than I fear the criminal.
law enforcement: this is the problem, It was not that long ago that you were called a “Peace Officer”, your transformation into Law Enforcement Officer is where the problem lies. No Longer are Police members of the Community, they are nothing more than Jack Booted Thugs, hired to enforce the tyrannical laws set forth by their leaders, with no regards for the truth, the law, or the constitution, and of course the RIGHTS of the CITIZENS to live their lives without Jack Booted thugs trying to TAX US at every step for merely living our lives and then you come by and shoot our dogs just for fun, For the most part your job is to TAX THE CITIZENS through UNCONSTITUTIONAL INFRACTIONS, whereby the defendant does not have a RIGHT to A Full and Complete Legal Defense. Not to mention you are all LIARS. So if you think the people are against you, you are absolutely correct, but you did it to yourselves.
Sig Heil you jack booted thug.
Defend your brother and sisters? As opposed to defending the constitutional rights of Americans? That tells me right there what side your on. If you cant even concede that detaining innocent bystanders and subjecting them to searches is against the constitution then there is no hope for you. Again I have witnessed first hand the overuse of force and lack of common sense, discretion by your “brothers and sisters” and it has left a very bad taste in my mouth. I now fear the police more than I ever did.
OK, thanks for clearing up for me that this is less an issue of constitutional legality than it is just defending the thin blue line, right or wrong. I figured it had to be one of the two, so now I understand. Right or wrong, it is necessary for the LEO to defend his brothers and sisters. It sounds like you do know they were violating people's constitutional rights, but feel compelled to defend their tactics anyway. That is how your statement comes across.
“I’m going to keep getting my aggregated news here because it’s the best spot for it, but I feel compelled to defend my brothers and sisters even if it’s with facetious sarcasm.”
Suggestion: Point out that the bank robbery occured in a small town where the entire area could be easily isolated. Indeed, it was effectively so isolated and the criminals captured.
The real issue is the handcuffing without reasonable suspicion. Merely being present is not necessarily criminal.
Had AMerica not been subjected to a long series of abuses by armed thugs in a wide aray of uniforms, hte public would be more understanding of the Aurora PD acts.
Unfortunately, hte Comies in Media have convinced the Proles that an officer is more valuable than a citizen. And, they lionize and worship every LEo killed because they “were preventing crime from destroying AMeric”.
Do remember that the public is aware that being a LEO means said officer is not in one of the Ten Most Dangerous Jobs. Fishermen, roofers, truckers - all take more risks every day at work and die more frequently.
Yet Commie Media glorifies LEOs as if this nation were already the Police State they want do badly.
Your posts seem to show a devotion to the Constitution. May I suggest reminding your fellow officers that as America has already decided how to deal with the “Blue Helmets” if they appear, they are also reassessing their views of the Blue uniforms. Change towards a Constitution observant police force is essential if the Republic is to survive, and unless the individuals in those Blue Uniforms change their beliefs and behavior, I fear things will not end well.
Having re-read your post, I noted the following: “On here, while I’m trying to get my aggregated news I can’t get anywhere else I have be deluged by so-called fellow patriots who, as fas as I know, would rather put a bullet in my back as much as spit on me because I am a cop.”
You clearly have the cart before the horse. The public is afraid, with a multitude of example to prove their position, that a cop will kill them. Worse yrt, they cop who kills always escapes execution.
A cop is no more valuable than a citizen not wearing a cop’s uniform. When cops once again realize their life is not more valuable than other citizens lives, and their departments management no longer declare that any action is acceptable if it prevents a cop’s death - then and only then will cops no longer correctly be seen as cops instead of soi dissant Ubermenschen.
This is the problem, your brothers and sisters are the general public.
You have separated yourself from the general public and act all aggrieved upon.
Your self separation from the public, the mere civilians, the by your own words – not your brothers and sisters, is the problem.
This is why you should not be in law enforcement. Your loyalty and sense of public duty is misplaced from the public to the pack.
Does this not violate your police oath?
I, for one, am tired of LEO using the "danger" of their job to excuse violating the rights of citizens. Law enforcement is not even in the top ten dangerous occupations.
Let's put some perspective to that statement by changing ONE word:
I now have to wonder if the next so-called patriot LEO I come into contact with is going to be just as dangerous & life-threatening to me as a drugged-out gangbanger.
There's a reason that people are quickly losing their patience with "law enforcement," it's that they have corporately become a sort of legal-mob, an organization founded on "heads I win, tails you lose," an association which while charged with upholding the law often ignores it.
Let me start off with a couple of very simple, concrete, black and white examples.
New Mexico Constitution, Art 1, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]Yet every state and municipal courthouse I've seen in NM has "No Weapons - Violators Will Be Prosecuted" posted. This begs the question, prosecuted under what law, given that No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense. Moreover, municipalities are prohibited from regulat[ing], in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As amended November 2, 1971 and November 2, 1986.)
What happens when I ask a LEO about this conflict?
"Well, we prohibit firearms from universities."
Ah, so no law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense really means we can prohibit the keeping and bearing of arms on university, and other school property... oh, and minors (and those in the first year of majority), because they aren't real citizens.
And I love how one infraction justifies the other(s).
And my new state, South Dakota, is similar:
SD Constitution, Art 6, § 24. Right to bear arms.Yet South Dakota has an entire chapter dedicated to making various keeping and bearing of arms illegal... oddly enough, that chapter violates the State Constitution at least five ways by my count.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state shall not be denied.
Oh, and I especially love how "in order to challenge the law in court, you have to have 'standing'"... which you gain by breaking the statute (and getting caught) and then after this implicit acknowledgment of the Statute's authority present your defense; because it comes from a position of weakness, that of the accused, it only comes off as the "nun-uh, you missed!" shouted by some kid who id himself applying selective rules.
But, before you start thinking "Oh, this is some deranged 2ND Amendment nut," let me say that it's not about the right to keep and bear arms, in and of itself: it's about the Constitutions being routinely ignored.
Where were the LEOs when the IN Supreme Court committed [federal] felonies in one of their rulings?
Nowhere. I think because that if any of you were aware of them they were a-ok because the decision gave the police more power and latitude. (Indeed, claiming that there could be no resistance to illegal police entry/occupation essentially removes private property rights; a police officer could renig on rent and force his way into the apartment and stay there until the court mandated that he leave... or perhaps stay with the people he's trying to catch red-handed until something happens to make some arrest "legit.")
What about Fast and Furious? How have you guys been working to bring those involved in that [de facto] conspiracy to justice? And don't tell me it's only federal crimes.
AZ Constitution*, Art 2, Section 28.
Treason against the state shall consist only in levying war against the state, or adhering to its enemies, or in giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or confession in open court.
Given that the cartels which were being supplied with material aid, and with official sanction (legal comfort), and these have been admitted in the congressional hearings... THERE EXISTS PROBABLE CAUSE TO PROSECUTE.
Yet there is nothing from state-level LEOs? Why? (Nothing from fed-level either! Why?)
Is it above your pay-grade?
That is why I have so little respect for Law Enforcement; because it's not about enforcing laws, it's about selectively enforcing laws. (And the "respect my authority!" attitude you guys pull doesn't help at all.)
* -- NM and TX have similar sections.
My my.
A cop.
Who’s a liberal.
And apparently SS oriented. (Hitler’s police force)
How surprising.