[brent13a]

I now fear the police more than I fear the criminal.

Which is fine because it's a free country. But there, of course, is the reason why I now believe that so-called patriots are just as untrustworthy as criminals and would like to kill me just as much as any other cop-hater:
You see all cops as criminals, I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.
Which side fosters the "us vs. them" more at this point?

[AmonAmarth]

So, according to you, we should all stick out our wrists for hadcuffing, open our anus and vaginas wide open, with a smile on our faces.No questions asked. Screw you.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me...

Man, we have come a long way down the police state. A long long way. You sounded reasonable but just disconnected for most of your posts. Now I learn you are deep into the "if you aren't blue you are the enemy" mentality. Since you are here, you are probably one of the better LEOs out there who believe in freedom. If you are deep into seeing us as the enemy, I can only imagine the contempt most other LEO see us with.

Very disappointing but not unexpected, as I've been saying for 2 or 3 years that we are well on our way toward becoming a police state. They are going to need storm troops who take orders without question and I can see they are well on their way when the more freedom-loving of LEOs has your attitude that all civilians are the enemy and "patriots" are untrustworthy anarchists. Anarchists? Really? Do anarchists believe in a constitution and law? Gee, that's news to me.

We really are in a police state with the LEOs seeing all of us as the enemy, not just the bad guys. Man, I so hate modern life. I really do.

[sport]

Us slaves gotta be taught our place, right.

But the question remains, who moved? Evidence shows that it was the police’s view of the lawabiding citizen.

[Kirkwood]

I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.

You have the right to remain silent. If you give up the right to remain silent, you will be zotted into oblivion.

[tnlibertarian]

I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.
Which side fosters the "us vs. them" more at this point?

Apparently, you do.

[Travis McGee]

CW2 Ping

"I now believe that so-called patriots are just as untrustworthy as criminals and would like to kill me just as much as any other cop-hater."

(Brent13a, LEO, reply #48)

Brother, you need to step back, take some deep breaths, and do some serious self-examination. If you feel that mass-handcuffing of bystanders is now just another useful LE tool, then you have crossed a dangerous red line into supporting tyrannical police-state tactics.

Millions of us "so-called patriots" actually do believe in defending the Constitution. Millions of us took oaths to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Your sworn oath to defend the Constitution might be a joke to you, but let me promise you, it is not a joke to millions of us who also took the oath. And our oaths did not come with an expiration date.

You need to look in the mirror, and ask yourself some very serious questions.

[Chode]

feh...

[Dead Corpse]

But there, of course, is the reason why I now believe that so-called patriots are just as untrustworthy as criminals and would like to kill me just as much as any other cop-hater:

That is a whole ball of f*cked up right there. With that attitude of yours begin carried around on a daily basis? You may have just spoken a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Quit your LEO job and get one as an insurance agent. We need more LIVE Patriots, not self destructive JBT's.

[CodeToad]

“You see all cops as criminals, I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.”

Investigate a crime all you want, but don’t think you have totalitarian control over the poeple to do so. It is disturbing for you to say that you believe that you should have totalitarian control just because you wear a badge.

[noinfringers2]

I take that because you see all so-called patriots as ‘untrustworthy anarchists’ it is difficult for you to distinguish between or you have your own judgements of patriotism. So be it. As for me I see many ‘law enforcement’ personnel as would be bullies in the cover of law. This applies especially to having unions which force most of society to pay for protection after the fact.

[B4Ranch]

>>I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.<<

WHAT IS A PATRIOT?

PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States, from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author

[wardaddy]

I agree with you on Glen Beck...weirdo and loose with facts.

But I fear the militarization of police and deputies which has so mushroomed in my half century life.

Gone are the days of beat or patrol cops in nifty non threatening uniforms and service revolvers...replaced by jocks with tattoos imitating what they think is a Strike team look

every hamlet over 10,000 folks now have battle wagons, full auto and all the other black tools.

it's just not how it was intended.....

so far only Highway patrol seems somewhat less inclined in that direction...but they were always more regimented to begin with

it's not just guns...old timey cops had to deal with serious weapons at times too in some hands...Bonnie and Clyde had BAR and Tommys as did the bent nose gangsters

but we have allowed LEOs to assume this posture everywhere...even bucolic suburbs ...”just in case”

but meanwhile, our inner cities where blacks and some latinos predominate are lost...no matter how much black gear, shaved heads and APCs

i live in Williamson County TN...rich and conservative pasture and horse farm country...folks from everywhere...about half non southern...Nashville's southern metro county

cops here are everywhere and very active...you drive late at night and you will likely get followed or stopped...for drinking(i don't ..none)....I'm 54 and work at night...stopped rountinely and then asked if I have anything in the car they should know about...well, they can kiss my ass and I hand it right back to them

I'm not some long haired kid in a VW Combi in 1972 smoking crappy Mexican weed listening to Aqualung anymore so bugger off

I have broken no laws and work my ass off 7 days a week to support a family of 7 and pay huge taxes locally...taxes which are more than my personal income

it is intrusive and it's incremental and it's not like when i grew up when county cops were like constables with .45 Long Colts and a slouch hat and a personal help out demeanor

and it's not a bit more dangerous now county wise in Dixie...maybe even safer with so many meterosexuals around

I would agree with you that some “militia or patriot or particularly Christian Identity or Posse Comitatus” sorts are violent hostile to LEOs and pose a threat...it's happened...COPS and Most Wanted shows demonstrate these sorts over and over as the narrative

but most Bitter Clingers are not that...by a long shot

one can fear the growth, attitude, posture and eventual aims of the Police Establishment but not call for violence but respect unless things progress considerably beyond this juncture

but invariably there will the instances where decent folks have cause to fear those sworn to protect...ATF, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Katrina Gun Confiscations, Elian and so forth

I personally don't think most cops would side with a progressive government at this point but Slow Tyranny is another matter

sorry you feel on the outs...being a cop and dealing with tragedy..kids or fellow officers ...deserves our sympathy

you have mine...if it does boil over one day...you may have to make a choice

i don't say this lightly...I have been in African Civil Wars and they had none of the neat tools we have and they were simply so mind numbing just observing as a businessman...it would be awful...to replicate 1861-1865 now here yet again would be Stalinesque or worse..Ustashi like .. the last war here which we southerners see remnants of daily was bad enough I assure you...a fraction of the folks, primitive weapons and a populace with more dignity..a dignity long lost since then...it would be horrific now...it would be Run For the Hills...to no avail

[Ken H]

Evaluation time. Please give your best answer to the following. Remember, there are no right or wrong answers.

_________________________________________________________________

1. The words 'PENSION REFORM' make me feel a) happy or b) angry

2. When I think 'MASSIVE LAYOFFS IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR', I feel a) happy; or b) angry.

3. When I hear the word 'CITIZEN', a) I think 'friend'; or b) I reach for my revolver.

[freedommom]

I now fear the police more than I fear the criminal.

[Manly Warrior]

Careful, officer, that type of statement has been the cause of dismissal for more than an few LEOs.

I know you do not speak for the majority of LEOs; either you are a newby or you are a thug and have been burned by a citizen who wouldn’t roll over just for you....

Most FReepers hold all God-given rights of man dearly and would not let it go easily.

Why again are you here? News?

[dragnet2]

I now believe that so-called patriots are just as untrustworthy as criminals and would like to kill me just as much as any other cop-hate.... I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.

You're a cop?

Why do you think there is increasing widespread distrust for cops and other agents of the government?

[NFHale]

“....so-called patriots are just as untrustworthy as criminals and would like to kill me just as much as any other cop-hater...”

Wow...just wow...I wonder if you know how far out of line you are there, Public Servant...

First of all...”so-called patriots”? You have absolutely ZERO idea how many folks out here have put their asses on the line for this country over the course of their lives. To make a statement like that is not only asinine, it’s insulting and disrespectful. They ARE Patriots, red white and blue to the core, love the country, and what it stands for - and what it’s SUPPOSED to be.

To get respect, you first have to give it. There’s no one - NO ONE - out here who wants to see cops dead; what we can’t stand is when cops act like over-steroided asswipes, abusing the authority granted to them by the PEOPLE and the TRUST the public places in them.

“Us vs. them” mentality? You’d better look in the mirror, friend. It’s not us that fosters it. Right now, it’s guys like you.

“...I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists...”

Really? You see Vietnam vets, Iraqi and Afgan war vets, Korean War vets, WWII vets, as “untrustworthy anarchists?” What the hell country were YOU raised in?

You should thank God every damn day that they’re NOT. Without the millions of Patriots out here, watching YOUR six every day, whether you want it and know it or not, you and your fellow former Peace Officers would be overwhelmed by the hardcore scumbags of society.

Think before you open your mouth and insult people who aren’t your enemy. A public relations master you aren’t...

I understand you have a job to do. We all do. But you make it tougher on yourself and on fellow LEOs when you come on a forum like this and start badmouthing and spouting nasty sarcasm towards decent folks for taking offense at something like this.

There isn’t a person on this forum who wishes you or any other LEO any harm. We all know damn right well that when you get up in the morning to go to work, you could very well not come home that night; that’s the nature of the job you CHOSE, and there’s any number of people out here who have done the same thing. But when you make broad, slanderous statements about folks out here, we have to wonder about YOUR state of mind towards US, and if you should be trusted with a badge and a gun at all.

You see us as “untrustworthy anarchists” - putting us in league with the Occupy Wall Street maniacs? Maybe it’s us that needs to regard you as untrustworthy because you obviously can’t tell the difference between friend (albeit irritated and annoyed) and real foe.

Lighten up. Nobody out here is your enemy. They’re just offended by the direction in which this country is being taken, and stories like this just increase the perception that cops are part of it - instead of being an active line of defense AGAINST it, as your oath to the Constitution demands.

[5th MEB]

You sir, are truly unhinged. If you really are a police officer; you you are exactly the type that has taught the public to mistrust and despise your little blue or whatever color gang. You are no better than a gang banger in South Central or Compton. As a police officer your first responsibility is to the Constitution of the United States.
And don't give me any of that garbage about “protect and serve”; your job is to clean up the mess after the crime has been committed. You work for us, we pay your freight and we expect YOU to obey the laws you are charged with enforcing.

[stevie_d_64]

[buzzer] WRONG!!!

You may win the hour while you focus on my refusal to a search...

I will win the day...

It is unfortunate YOU feel that way about the community YOU are supposed to be serving...

Trust is a two-way street...And you have a lot of resurfacing to do...

Being a Law Enforcement professional is not just wearing a uniform, and driving around in your car all day and night...Sometimes its good to get out and go into an establishment in your jurisdiction and introduce yourself. get to know the people and their businesses, see how things are going, let them tell you who they know whoare the problem makers...With that kind of approach, “they” will know they have a problem solver riding around, trusting you and other officers to get it done...

And that kind of approach works both ways...Civilians need to get out there and meet and greet those that ply the streets protecting you...You may actually be surprised by most of what you run into on your local Law Enforcement team...

Just my opinion...

[archy]

But there, of course, is the reason why I now believe that so-called patriots are just as untrustworthy as criminals and would like to kill me just as much as any other cop-hater: You see all cops as criminals, I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.

And so now those of us who remain faithful to the constitution must see you as a perjurer and crooked cop and has become a criminal as well.

Go ahead, do your job and take your 30 pieces of silver. We've seen your kind before.