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Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana
New York Times ^ | June 4, 2012 | Thomas Kaplan

Posted on 06/05/2012 8:32:50 AM PDT by C19fan

The New York Police Department, the mayor and the city’s top prosecutors on Monday endorsed a proposal to decriminalize the open possession of small amounts of marijuana, giving an unexpected lift to an effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to cut down on the number of people arrested as a result of police stops.

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Let me get this straight. You can walk around with pot but Bloomberg will send the cops after you if you are drinking a 32 oz slurpee???
1 posted on 06/05/2012 8:33:04 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

So you can get as high as Harlem, but when you get the munchies afterwards, better not indulge lest Bloomberg has you arrested.


2 posted on 06/05/2012 8:35:00 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: C19fan

Bloomberg wants to free up police to go after the slupee criminals.


3 posted on 06/05/2012 8:36:39 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: C19fan

Yep. You can smoke pot, but then you can’t satisfy your resulting munchies.


4 posted on 06/05/2012 8:38:08 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: C19fan

They should throw full 1 liter bottles at his limo.


5 posted on 06/05/2012 8:38:12 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Romney - not Obama - not a Conservative - not a real Christian)
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To: C19fan

No, no!

He said he’s NOT imposing on your freedom to get 32 oz of soft drink.

It’s just that the sellers HAVE TO serve it in two glasses.

HAVE TO. “Progressives” love that word combo.


6 posted on 06/05/2012 8:38:32 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: bmwcyle

Do I get a prize for being the only comment that doesn’t mention Big Gulp or Slurpee? Oooops.


7 posted on 06/05/2012 8:39:52 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: PGR88

This is the opposite Giuliani’s approach to bringing down the crime rate. Giuliani enforced all of the ‘little laws’ that weren’t being enforced ... his thinking being that if you don’t enforce all the laws, then people develop a mindset that it is ok to break the law.


8 posted on 06/05/2012 8:39:52 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: bmwcyle

freeze them first


9 posted on 06/05/2012 8:39:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: C19fan
Let me get this straight. You can walk around with pot but Bloomberg will send the cops after you if you are drinking a 32 oz slurpee???

That is exactly right. Now that he's freeing up all those jail cells, he can now put the evil pop drinkers in them. Where will he incarcerate all the incandescent light bulb junkies? -- Possibly in all the empty death row cells.

10 posted on 06/05/2012 8:41:26 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: C19fan

That’s right. Don’t you understand the liberal logic?

To liberals, drugs are cool, society is too uptight about drugs and related issues, drugs should be treated the same as alcohol, etc. So, the liberal view is that we should not be concerned about drug use.

On the other hand, people drinking a big gulp are getting too much sugar. So, for their own good, we have to downsize the drinks.

It does seem odd, that we’re supposed to be worried about people getting too much sugar, but not worried about them getting involved with drugs.

To be a good liberal, sometimes you have to have unusual reasoning abilities to justify liberal policies.


11 posted on 06/05/2012 8:42:12 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: C19fan

Police will be given the go ahead to gun you down in the street for smoking a cigarette while drinking a big gulp.


12 posted on 06/05/2012 8:43:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: C19fan

And to think this moron RINO will be reelected again..I think Bloomberg thinks he can collect more taxes on Pot than Big Gulp..


13 posted on 06/05/2012 8:47:00 AM PDT by PLD (It is time the freeloaders leave the white house and go back to the hell hole where they came from..)
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To: C19fan

And to think this moron RINO will be reelected again..I think Bloomberg thinks he can collect more taxes on Pot than Big Gulp..


14 posted on 06/05/2012 8:47:22 AM PDT by PLD (It is time the freeloaders leave the white house and go back to the hell hole where they came from..)
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To: MrB
"It’s just that the sellers HAVE TO serve it in two glasses."

Similar to liquor laws in many states, where it is illegal to serve a one ounce shot beside an 8 - 12 ounce beer because that's "two drinks at once."

But it's perfectly legal to pour the shot into the beer, or mix a drink with up to four ounces of liquor in it.
15 posted on 06/05/2012 8:48:29 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: C19fan

Prohibitionists take it in the shorts, again.


16 posted on 06/05/2012 8:48:48 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: C19fan

[ Let me get this straight. You can walk around with pot but Bloomberg will send the cops after you if you are drinking a 32 oz slurpee??? ]

Munchie Patrol Squad!!!!

Drop the Big Gulp and Doritoes and come out with your cheese dust encrusted hands up!


17 posted on 06/05/2012 8:48:48 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: C19fan
Let me get this straight. You can walk around with pot but Bloomberg will send the cops after you if you are drinking a 32 oz slurpee???

"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while."

18 posted on 06/05/2012 8:50:06 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: C19fan

No salt, transfats or sugary drinks but drugs are just fine. Bloomberg is certifiably crazy!


19 posted on 06/05/2012 8:50:06 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: MrB

Only if they have a direct shot.


20 posted on 06/05/2012 8:50:27 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Romney - not Obama - not a Conservative - not a real Christian)
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To: C19fan

This is exactly why people despise politicians


21 posted on 06/05/2012 8:50:28 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Fat, drunk and stupid = Dumb, dependent, and Democrat)
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To: C19fan

Catch-22...it generates more revenue and less cost to bust people for the slurpee...this way, people get high, develop a thirst and buy big drinks.

Devious, to say the least.


22 posted on 06/05/2012 8:51:20 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: C19fan

40-ouncers of malt liquor are also still okay in Herr Bloomie’s world.


23 posted on 06/05/2012 8:53:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: C19fan

Just what I was going to say. The guy is a loon. Also don’t forget if you donate food to the homeless he will confiscate it and if you smoke a cigarette in a park or in Times square in the street you’ll be busted. Oh yes and in your apartment. That was his latest decree last month - He wanted all landlords to send him a list of all the people who smoke in their apartments. Maybe next he will demand smokers wear the letter “S” on their arms and have the cops write “Smoker” on peoples windows.

What’s incredible to me is this a-hole has absolutely no authority whatsoever to do any of this crap yet people think he does. How about if he banned ipods or cellphones or computers or clothes? He demanded everyone walk around naked or banned food or banned breathing, would people still think he has the authority ? He just spews out his shiet week after week month after month without any approval from anybody without any protest from anybody, even Chuck Schumer is silent who holds press conferences at the drop of a hat, which is all why I claim New York city is run under despotism, because it freakin is!


24 posted on 06/05/2012 8:54:06 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: C19fan
Bloomie and Status Cuomo: hell-bent on driving the final nails into the coffin on the State of New York.
25 posted on 06/05/2012 9:00:01 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Forget the GOP and build the Constitution Party, because the status quo is no longer the way to go.)
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To: C19fan

Chicago has already done this. And quite frankly I think it’s a good idea. When it comes to “What do we need the cops to do?”, busting people for smoking marijuana is pretty low on my priority list.


26 posted on 06/05/2012 9:00:20 AM PDT by RonF
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To: C19fan
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, whose Police Department made about 50,000 arrests last year for low-level marijuana possession...

Arrested. Not incarcerated.

27 posted on 06/05/2012 9:02:16 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: RonF

Completely correct. And not that marijuana is a good thing or that smoking it is wise.

It’s a harmful vice, but not nearly as harmful as enforcing its prohibition.


28 posted on 06/05/2012 9:05:26 AM PDT by babble-on
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if they allow medicinal pot (vs not enforcing the law) then those “patients” should immediatly have their driver licence susptended for the duration of their treatment.


29 posted on 06/05/2012 9:07:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

Here’s what isn’t mentioned:

The current low level marijuana laws in NYC are unenforceable because they are morally repugnant to the vast majority of street beat cops.

Definitely over 30% of street beat cops in NYPD have used marijuana, and it’s probably closer to 80% have used it. Nearly 100% of NYPD street beat cops know people who both smoke marijuana and live productive and normal lives.

And yes, the street beat cops also know about the total fuck ups, but you rarely if ever see a total fuck up who only uses marijuana in NYC. IT is not a gateway drug in NYC, marijuana is now the drug of choice of people who consciously choose to NOT destroy themselves. There are plenty of ways and plenty of drugs available to destroy oneself in NYC, the end user has to repeatedly refuse offers for these harder drugs on a normal basis.

in NYC there is heroin that is now cheaper per high than marijuana, cocaine that is cheaper per high than marijuana.

Lethargic fatass stoners in NYC don’t last long, they get evicted and go be poor somewhere else.

On the other end of the spectrum, the artistic/creative industry people in NYC represent a much larger percentage of the marijuana user base in NYC than in the country in general, and they produce tens of billions of dollars in economic activity each year. Regular and casual and former marijuana users control much of the major industries in the city, and they are more powerful than the Drug Warriors industrial complex lobbyists who do not live, work and vote in NYC.


30 posted on 06/05/2012 9:10:51 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: C19fan
From what I understand, the law they are breaking is the public display of pot. The way the cops get these busts is by stopping people and forcing them to empty their pockets. If they have pot, they then arrest them for public display of pot.

So the cops are basically committing a felony (violation of 4th Amendment) so they can bust some low level pot offenders.

Glad I do not live in that fascist hell hole.
31 posted on 06/05/2012 9:11:23 AM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

Which fascist hell hole do you live in?


32 posted on 06/05/2012 9:15:25 AM PDT by babble-on
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Definitely over 30% of street beat cops in NYPD have used marijuana, and it’s probably closer to 80% have used it.

No they haven't.

33 posted on 06/05/2012 9:15:35 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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You can walk around with pot but Bloomberg will send the cops after you if you are drinking a 32 oz slurpee???

YES! The nanny state at it's control-freak wackiest...

34 posted on 06/05/2012 9:18:53 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: RonF
Chicago has already done this. And quite frankly I think it’s a good idea. When it comes to “What do we need the cops to do?”, busting people for smoking marijuana is pretty low on my priority list.

Marijuana in Ohio is essentially decriminalized. Apparently, people here have recognized tying up law enforcement, courts, jails and prisons for something less harmful than alcohol should not be a priority, either.

Somehow, the state has not rotted and fallen into Lake Erie, despite the ramblings of people who support the failed War on (some) Drugs.

35 posted on 06/05/2012 9:31:51 AM PDT by gdani
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To: longtermmemmory
Vicotin will impair you more than pot and is proscribed routinely. Alcohol will impair you more than pot and is perfectly legal without proscription. Do you believe that anyone who consumes a substance that can temporarily impair a person should surrender their drivers license?
36 posted on 06/05/2012 9:34:06 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: babble-on
Which fascist hell hole do you live in?

Washington state.
37 posted on 06/05/2012 9:39:20 AM PDT by microgood
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So the cops are basically committing a felony (violation of 4th Amendment) so they can bust some low level pot offenders.

No. It's like nailing "fare-beaters" who jump over the turnstiles instead of paying the subway fare. When they turned their attention to busting them, they found that a huge percentage were already wanted for assault, robbery, rape, and so on. Same with weed on the street, in about 90 percent of the cases. That's what the cops are looking for.

The change in safety for normal grown-ups—those not flying on drugs as they walk down the street—after Giuliani started these "public order" enforcement policies changed the city overnight. People started going out at night again, business boomed, hiring soared, etc.

Most small-use marijuana stops are winos and thugs, rather than white-knuckled, principled, Ron Paul-ites who talk about Ayn Rand, who are scarce in NYC. The real reason for this "relaxation" in enforcement is because it means fewer black arrests. That's good for those NYS Assemblymen who represent the relatives of felons from Brooklyn and upper Manhattan.

Giuliani understood law enforcement. Bloomberg understands . . . I'm not sure, maybe homosexuality?

38 posted on 06/05/2012 9:45:47 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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Same with weed on the street, in about 90 percent of the cases

Cite?

39 posted on 06/05/2012 9:52:36 AM PDT by gdani
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To: longtermmemmory

if they allow medicinal pot (vs not enforcing the law) then those “patients” should immediatly have their driver licence susptended for the duration of their treatment.

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But only folks with prescription to medical pot?

I’d be a lot more worried about the oxycodone and vicodin impaired drivers than someone who smoked some pot.


40 posted on 06/05/2012 9:59:53 AM PDT by dmz
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To: ansel12

Are you at all aware of the current screening process for the NYPD?

You can openly admit to repeated marijuana use in the application and not be DQ’ed, (and strangely enough) it doesn’t even lower the chance of getting hired at this point if you are a blood relative of another NYPD officer.

Granted the total number of applicants to the NYPD has spiked in this recession and the large number of war vets returned to the civilian workforce, making the entire hiring process much more selective in recent years.

I’ve known/know a good number of prior and current NYPD and MTA cops, none of them were saints.


41 posted on 06/05/2012 10:27:34 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

See what pot does to your brain, your made up statistics are ridiculous.


42 posted on 06/05/2012 10:43:57 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: SamuraiScot

The percentage of people busted on the frisk and search low level marijuana arrests who had active warrants out was under 16%. (From a recent NYPost article on the subject) And less than half of those get prosecuted for the other charges.

If 90% of the people arrested in NYC for stop and frisk low level marijuana charges had warrants, every bed in every prison in NY State would be filled to 200%+ capacity just on stop and frisk prosecutions.

So thanks for the hyperbole.

Here are the hard statistics on stop and frisk in the city:
http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices

In 2011, 685,724 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
350,743 were black (53 percent).
223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
61,805 were white (9 percent).
341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).

An entire generation of youths in NYC now genuinely and passionately HATE the NYPD to the core of their beings due to the decade long constant harassment by stop and frisks. Every young minority guy in the city knows multiple people who have been harassed and humiliated publicly by the NYPD during these stop and frisks.

Another article with some relevant comments:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204795304577221770752633612.html


43 posted on 06/05/2012 10:49:28 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: ansel12

Seriously, as a possible recruit to the NYPD, you admit to prior drug use or being fired for disciplinary reasons at a prior job, all you do is take another piece of lined paper and write out an explanation of the situation. You then sit on a chair for 3 hours to wait your turn to get a piss test just like every other applicant.

If it isn’t for hard drugs or some serious issue for prior job termination, it has no affect on the recruiting process, and hasn’t since 2003ish. IF your urine is clean, the process continues.


44 posted on 06/05/2012 10:57:41 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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Definitely over 30% of street beat cops in NYPD have used marijuana, and it’s probably closer to 80% have used it.

No they haven't.

45 posted on 06/05/2012 11:08:07 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: gdani
Same with weed on the street, in about 90 percent of the cases

Cite?

Smoke?

All kidding aside, in case there was some question, the "90 percent" refers to this:

Most small-use marijuana stops are winos and thugs, rather than white-knuckled, principled, Ron Paul-ites who talk about Ayn Rand, who are scarce in NYC.

. . . That proportion is empirically derived, and if you live or work in NYC, obvious.

46 posted on 06/05/2012 11:23:44 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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...and if you live or work in NYC, obvious.

I used to live in NYC. My wife used to work around the corner from Wall Street.

We would talk about how Wall Street stunk like marijuana at 4-5pm on Fridays. One of her co-workers used to remark how much business the pot delivery people had in that area of the city & how much time they spent at/in office buildings.

Perhaps your knowledge of who all smokes marijuana in NYC is...limited.

47 posted on 06/05/2012 11:39:41 AM PDT by gdani
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To: ansel12

Depending on the study, 35% to 55% of NYC high school teens have used marijuana.
FOr late teens and early 20’s, depending on the study, 50% to 80% of NYC College students have used marijuana.

And that is only those who admit to it in the surveys by the NYC School system and questionnaires given on college campuses.

There are very few young cops in NYC who haven’t used marijuana.
There isn’t a NYPD street cop who is under 30 who doesn’t know friends and family members who are regular or casual recreational marijuana users.

In NYC, it is what it is, it is not all that different than what it was in the 1920’s, and it will probably be like that for quite a few more years going forward.


48 posted on 06/05/2012 12:09:02 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: SamuraiScot
The change in safety for normal grown-ups—those not flying on drugs as they walk down the street—after Giuliani started these "public order" enforcement policies changed the city overnight. People started going out at night again, business boomed, hiring soared, etc.

While I admit I do not understand New York or its crime, I would never live somewhere where the police can approach any citizen without any cause and frisk them because they have some hunch about them. If they are committing a crime, fine, but if they are just walking down the street, the police should not be able to stop and search them without cause.

The ends do not justify the means here.
49 posted on 06/05/2012 12:10:03 PM PDT by microgood
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To: JerseyHighlander

Is this what passes as facts to lefties pushing drugs?

Until you find your cop stats you can quit bugging me, by the way used and tried is really two different things, you sound like a user, not someone who has tried it, or experimented with it.


50 posted on 06/05/2012 12:38:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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