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I don't think California will be as Easy a Win For 0bama as He Thinks

Posted on 06/08/2012 11:19:19 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer

I made an interesting observation here in Southern California a few minutes ago.

Background:

We are on vacation here after seeing my #3 son coming back from an overseas deployment in the Marines. FWIW, it was with the 1/4 on a MEU "booze Cruise" in the Western Pacific. I backed into a support pole in the underground garage at the hotel yesterday and made wuite a dent in the passenger door of the rental. I took it to a body shop here in San Clemente so I could get an idea of how much it's gonna cost me.

While waiting for the owner to get me an estimate I was looking at the various cars in the shop. I saw only ONE car with an 0bama sticker, and 5 with Romney or Republican/Libertarian stickers. While yacking with the owner we got to talking about government and he asked me where I was originally from. I told him Texas, and he then told me that if he could get out from under his mortgage here, he'd move his business to the DFW area and get out of here. Quite a few of the business owners here on the beach area have left because of the regulations and taxes. He detests 0bama, as do most business owners here.

I don't think California will be a complete shoo-in for 0bama this fall.


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To: napscoordinator
That does not seem like a lot to me in the big scheme of life.

My FRiend, In 3.5 years, I had not only not made any upwardly wealth building momentum, but had actually lossed value it my total net worth. Those were the BOOM DAYS of Silicon Valley. I was in the middle of it.

Here is the significance. I was just out of college (that I paid for with loans and hard work) and as poor as any college student could be. My total net worth when I moved out there was only about $10,000 (including student loans, my truck and investments).

51 posted on 06/08/2012 12:01:48 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists works in Utopia Province, riding unicorns to work.)
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To: Tenacious 1
The state will be forced into the situation WI and MI are digging out of. Those states swung republican when they got bad enough.

True re: WI and MI, but those states' populations are such that the conservative bastions can overcome those of the loony left. Problem with CA is, the loons in SF and LA don't care about the fiscal situation. And they know at the end of the day the feds will give it to them if the state were to fail, so they'll get their slice of the pie no matter what. They see their situation as a no-lose one. And never forget about the rapidly growing population of Mexicans who have anschluess with the Fatherland on their mind. The singular hope for CA is if it splits into two entities, which won't happen. The big cities need to leech the resources of the other regions.

52 posted on 06/08/2012 12:04:22 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Lazamataz
There's not enough money..... there's not enough hot chick's "sweaty thigh".... there's not fame or fortune that would ever have me relocate to CA.

LOL. I'm calling BS. You are far more superficial than that. An offer of $1,000,000 and a room with a playmate at the mansion and you'd forget what country you were from.

53 posted on 06/08/2012 12:04:48 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists works in Utopia Province, riding unicorns to work.)
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To: Huskrrrr

“California is SOS. Stuck on stupid.

Do you work in the department of redundancy department?


54 posted on 06/08/2012 12:05:19 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Lazamataz

It’s not hot chicks for sure, and it’s not hot guys either. Its kids and grandkids. I will give it a couple of years and will move back east if things are too miserable.


55 posted on 06/08/2012 12:06:17 PM PDT by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Eggsacktly what
I thought: Moonbat vandalism repairs.


56 posted on 06/08/2012 12:09:39 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Tenacious 1

Thanks for the explanation. I thought it was a situation where you were older around 43 and had 350K in wealth built up like everyone else and you lost 2500.....Wow...10 grand and you lost 2500 is definitely a lot.


57 posted on 06/08/2012 12:10:14 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: forgotten man

Yes, it is depressing but Full Speed Ahead. Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that.

I went down to Tea Party office after the Wisconsin WIN, totally energized to fight for November. Romney needs every vote he can get, the Dems need to be totally demoralized. There are plenty of conservatives here in California, altho maybe not a majority.

On the other hand, my DIL’s mother and grandmother, both Jewish/ New Jerseyites — both voted for Obama last time around, both are voting for Romney. Gma is very liberal but fed up.


58 posted on 06/08/2012 12:18:44 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: ScottinVA

Just one brief comment: If the state of Wisconsin can go Republican, there is hope for California. Can’t help it, I’m an optimist and maybe a fool at the same time. I just think Obama is not going to do too good with Latinos and many Blacks will stay home and not vote. But....we shall see shortly!!!


59 posted on 06/08/2012 12:19:49 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: nuke rocketeer

You were in Orange County. One of the very few conservative places in the state.


60 posted on 06/08/2012 12:24:03 PM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

“You’d also have to lop off LA County. Remember, LA is basically SF with Mexicans instead of queers.”

TRUE, but, I think we could still make it numerically if LA were still part of the state.

It’s all wishful thinking anyway!


61 posted on 06/08/2012 12:25:18 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Yep. Outside of the major urban areas, the whole state is red. Same is true about a lot of blue states.
I have to wonder what it is about urban areas that turns people into liberals.


62 posted on 06/08/2012 12:25:36 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: nuke rocketeer
Well unfortunately you are in the more conservative part of the state. From Long Beach south on the water it is conservative, but unfortunately there is LA, San Fran., my home Santa Barbara that add up to a lot of votes even exceeding the large number of conservatives in the state. Also a lot of conservatives ran like hell from California in 2006ish. That trimmed the vote a bit as well.

Yet you are right in that California will not be the wide spread vote for Obama as the DNC would like. Dude is desperate. Let's hope and pray though that you are right.

63 posted on 06/08/2012 12:26:09 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: FeliciaCat

I remember back after Reagan got elected I was thumbing thru an Almanac and was looking at the results for Calif. As I remember (and it was long ago) I came up with “Orange County Cal had won the Calif election for Reagan.” My reasoning being that OC voters by a wide margin canceled out LA votes. Riverside and San Bernardino just put the icing on the cake for a Calif win. OK it was a long time ago — but that’s my memory of it. But Orange Co is not as conservative as it once was.


64 posted on 06/08/2012 12:27:17 PM PDT by bunster
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To: Little Ray

Urban areas are clusters of entitlement drones connected to the tax payers treasury, Blood suckers !


65 posted on 06/08/2012 12:30:24 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: nuke rocketeer

Mittens’s time and money would be much better invested in the toss-up states, instead of on some California hail-mary mission.


66 posted on 06/08/2012 12:30:35 PM PDT by kevao
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To: nuke rocketeer
2008 Presidential election: This time around, I'd expect the map to look mostly red, with a very highly-populated blue on the left fringe. Still adds up to an Obama win, but no longer a rout.
67 posted on 06/08/2012 12:31:30 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Gettin Betta

Yeah a lot of people don’t fully understand that many people’s careers are tied to lefty whack job and a pay check. You know this and I know this. Thus signs are not so readily available. Plus a lot of conservatives are aware of the vitriol and impropriety of the wacko lefties and don’t want car or home damage. Talk about fascists. You can really feel that here. Yet I bet as we close in and a few people take the risk, we will see more Romney signs. People like him here.


68 posted on 06/08/2012 12:32:00 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: ScottinVA

But, at the same time the liberal-dominated San Jose voted in a landslide to reduce pensions for public sector workers. So, while many libs are going to continue to be blind to the truth, staggeringly high numbers of people in two elections in urban California have shown that can see past the BS and hype. That has to be encouraging.


69 posted on 06/08/2012 12:32:04 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: nuke rocketeer
I remember much of the California of yesteryear...


70 posted on 06/08/2012 12:34:30 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Tenacious 1; Lazamataz
Haha. BUSTED!!!!

LOL. I'm calling BS. You are far more superficial than that. An offer of $1,000,000 and a room with a playmate at the mansion and you'd forget what country you were from.

71 posted on 06/08/2012 12:35:35 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Persevero
If you could just lop off the San Francisco Bay Area, California would be a very conservative state.

But sadly, you can’t lop it off!

Paraphrased: Nuke it from orbit -- it’s the only way to be sure.

72 posted on 06/08/2012 12:40:22 PM PDT by Bob
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To: ScottinVA

gullwing Merc with a hot Cali brunette

totally awesome

(what’s with the Norge refrigerators in the background, LOL)


73 posted on 06/08/2012 12:41:10 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Kirkwood

Having been in that boat and getting an estimate from the rent car agency for damages to a Rolls rather than the preg.rollerskate rented, he is prolly booking some counter info.


74 posted on 06/08/2012 12:41:31 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: nuke rocketeer

Heard a surprising election day story last night from a friend in downtown Los Angeles who recently became a citizen and is voting in his first presidential primary. His local polling place was on the border of Skid Row and as he was walking to it a Black homeless man pushing a shopping cart of his belongings came up and asked my friend where to go vote. Turned out my friend wasn’t correct on the location and the homeless man found it and chided my friend a bit about the mislocation. As they entered, my friend about fell over as the homeless man went straight to the sole Republican booth to vote! Ha! Side note - I persuaded my friend to register Republican when he became a citizen ;-)


75 posted on 06/08/2012 1:02:36 PM PDT by Irishgirl
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To: rightwingcrazy

I remember many years when the entire southern portion of that map was red.


76 posted on 06/08/2012 1:05:52 PM PDT by Irishgirl
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To: ScottinVA
It's not core LA or SF -- they have always been Democratic powerhouses. It was the loss of the suburbs that made California uncompetitive for statewide Republicans. There are towns that George H.W. Bush carried with 65% of the vote in 1988 that Obama carried with the same majority 20 years later. Flip those back and you're in business.
77 posted on 06/08/2012 1:14:05 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: nuke rocketeer

“I don’t think California will be as Easy a Win For 0bama as He Thinks”

Obama will carry California with 55-60% of the vote, easily, without breaking a sweat.

Same for states such as Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, possibly Connecticut (my state).

California has more than a majority of “true believers”. It doesn’t matter if the social order has broken down, that they have no fuel for their vehicles, no electricity for their homes, no order in their streets — the will STILL be blaming “the evil conservatives”, the “greedy Republicans”, and the “cruel capitalists” to their very last breaths.


78 posted on 06/08/2012 1:21:22 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Little Ray; Bob

“I have to wonder what it is about urban areas that turns people into liberals.”

I’ve thought about that, too, and I don’t think it so much turns them into liberals as it attracts all the liberals.

How? Plenty of welfare. Many soup kitchens and the like. Major colleges and universities. Union activism. Large tracts of public housing. Illegal drug availability. “night life.” Sanctuary city policy.

Not found in nearly the quantity in suburban/rural areas?


79 posted on 06/08/2012 1:26:00 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Gettin Betta

I can confirm your post. I’m in the San Fernando Valley, too. I have NEVER seen a Romney bumper sticker. I don’t even know what they look like.


80 posted on 06/08/2012 1:29:36 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: nuke rocketeer

It’s a shoo-in for the Usurper. That’s not to say that there isn’t a strong strain of conservatism left in the California electorate and millions of voters who detest 0bummer. San Diego and Orange counties used to be strongly conservative, especially Orange. But that has been diluted by illegal aliens who vote (remember what happened to B-1 Bob Dornan) and the hands-out entitlement crowd. The central valley is still conservative but not populous enough to offset LA, with its huge population, and home to millions of libs, helped by San Francisco knee-jerk libs. It’s just too much to overcome.


81 posted on 06/08/2012 1:30:11 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Persevero

You forgot huge and liberal LA.


82 posted on 06/08/2012 1:31:22 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: mc5cents

“Oh, I can believe how much as I live in the Vampire State of NY. Granted I live in Western NY (Buffalo area) but it is pretty blue here except in some of the burbs sort of like Cali.”

That’s the problem with New York (Illinois, Oregon, Washington, and California also come to mind).

It doesn’t matter if you’re 350 miles distant on the shores of the great lakes — if you live within New York states boundaries, you’ll always be ruled by the leftist “New York City” mentality. Because there are so many of them, it’s almost impossible for conservatives to have a voice in state government, beyond a few squeaks here and there.

The only way to “regain one’s conservative voice” is to move to a state where there is a preponderance of conservatives, and to join their chorus.

I predict that during the next three decades, we are going to see waves of such movement. I will coin the term “The American Great Trek”, as conservatives flee to those areas of the country where they can live in uncontested majorities amongst themselves. (Aside: this will be not unlike another “trek” that took place decades ago in South Africa, hence, the name).

I predict these areas will come to be the “Conservative Homelands” in a rapidly-balkanizing North America....


83 posted on 06/08/2012 1:33:15 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: nuke rocketeer

Lilly white San Clemente hardly represents the millions of minorities who populate SoCal.

San Clemente is in the OC, an island of conservatism in a bigger minority driven voting demographic.


84 posted on 06/08/2012 1:40:53 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Irishgirl

Well, Reagan was elected and reelected as California Governor, not so very long ago.


85 posted on 06/08/2012 1:42:44 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: ScottinVA
Your pix got me misty-eyed. California was such a great state. I lived in CA for 54 years, moving to VA to be closer to my Navy-wife daughter, my only child. I may move back in two years when she does. So long as I have SS and two pensions I can get by (I realize even that is no guarantee). I miss San Diego.
86 posted on 06/08/2012 1:43:31 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: rightwingcrazy

40 years is a long time ago.


87 posted on 06/08/2012 1:47:28 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: Persevero

And so, the rural and suburban life attracts the conservatives who find those things anywhere from annoying to disgusting...


88 posted on 06/08/2012 2:10:03 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Lazamataz

OH LAZ my FRiend you do need to make a trip out here to SOCal.. and spend a few days at the beach... UMMMMMMMMMMM


89 posted on 06/08/2012 2:32:22 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: k omalley

“I will be moving to CA in two weeks.”

________________________________________________________

Moving from Virginia to California?

How ya going to deal with near perfect year round weather, beaches, deserts, Sierras, no brown snow, icy roads, no humidity to speak of, insects don’t resemble sparrows and good paying jobs compared to the rest of the country?

Don’t let some of these people fool ya. If most had a chance to move to California, they do it in a second. Even with it’s current political landscape, CA is the crown jewel of the entire U.S.

Like everything, political landscapes change, swing back and forth.

Look at the U.S., we went from Reagan, to Obama.

See this below?

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Texas Growing Brown Turns It Blue (Ultimate goal flipping the state)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2884963/posts


90 posted on 06/08/2012 2:47:17 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Yes, I really can’t complain. I bought a condo with a view of the Pacific, parks and walking trails everywhere. Don’t have to worry about slipping on the ice and breaking something. Best of all I will have family and grandkids close by.


91 posted on 06/08/2012 3:08:39 PM PDT by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: k omalley; NVDave; ScottinVA; ZirconEncrustedTweezers; PGR88; norton; Churchillspirit; bunster; ...
Dallas Morning News:

Dallas Parkland Hospital leads nation in illegal immigrant births

Sherry Jacobson reports that 74 percent of the total 14,872 births at Parkland Hospital were to women who are believed to be in the country illegally.

That over 1000, illegal alien anchor babies per month, at just one Texas hospital.

Ya don't need to be a fortune teller to see what's coming for TX...Yuk yuk yuk.

92 posted on 06/08/2012 3:13:23 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: k omalley
Yes, I really can’t complain. I bought a condo with a view of the Pacific, parks and walking trails everywhere. Don’t have to worry about slipping on the ice and breaking something.

BTW, see #92...Remember what I said about change?

Everything is changing, nothing stays the same....I figure I might as well live in a place with world class year round weather, and a whole lot of things to do and see.

Take care.

93 posted on 06/08/2012 3:16:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Very true. In 25 years, America will cease to exist as the 50-state entity we know today. Demographics are killing us.


94 posted on 06/08/2012 4:29:50 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Persevero
If you could just lop off the San Francisco Bay Area, California would be a very conservative state.

That's what "The Big One" is for.

(Not Fred Sanford's heart attack, it's the coming big California earthquake.)

95 posted on 06/08/2012 7:42:56 PM PDT by citizen (Obomo blames:Arab Spring,Banks,Big Oil,Bush,Ceos,Coal,Euro Zone,FNC,Jpn Tsunami,T Party,Wall St,You)
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To: Persevero
If you could just lop off the San Francisco Bay Area, California would be a very conservative state.

That's what "The Big One" is for.

(Not Fred Sanford's heart attack, it's the coming big California earthquake.)

96 posted on 06/08/2012 7:51:02 PM PDT by citizen (Obomo blames:Arab Spring,Banks,Big Oil,Bush,Ceos,Coal,Euro Zone,FNC,Jpn Tsunami,T Party,Wall St,You)
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