Posted on 06/11/2012 1:43:27 PM PDT by jazusamo
Thanks for the link. bookmarked
It was in the 1930s, when ugly internal and international actions by Hitler and Mussolini repelled the world, that the left distanced themselves from fascism and its Nazi offshoot and verbally transferred these totalitarian dictatorships to the right, saddling their opponents with these pariahs.
Maybe some of the historians among us can educate us on what exactly it was that turned the tide on Fascism.
I certainly was not the persecution of the Jews. Nearly every European nation had a history of Jew hatred.
The only thing I can think of is Germanys retaking of territories and colonies that it had ceded after WW I.
The mistake I think the Fascist made was that they did not close their borders as the Soviets did. The control of information in the Fascist states was not as complete. Also it seems that the western journalist were more sympathetic to the international socialist. The western intellectuals also seem more attuned to the idea of a complete command economy.
Yesssssss. Right on the mark again. Thanks for the ping jaz.
Enjoy reading Dr. Sowell articles. He brings up items of interest, and knowledgeable discussion, as well reminds us of items that sometimes slip from our thoughts.
Dr. Sowell keeping us focused. GREAT!
Sowell makes a clear and strong case, as usual.
I have one small quibble - it was specifically Hitler’s betrayal of Uncle Joe that made him a “right winger”; up to that point he was fawned over by the left. But Uncle Joe was the major diety in the pantheon of the utopians. Hitler and Il Duce were, at the time, only revered demi-gods, who, much like the Biblical story, rebelled against their great god, Uncle Joe, and were then cast into the pits of hell - as far from the leftist utopian heaven as possible and are now cast as the Leftists’ great satans in their grand, immoral, morality play.
These specifics are not at odds with Sowell’s explanation, I just wish he would clearly point out that it was their love for that pompadoured murderer that finally made the left decry Hitler and his murderous ways - it wasn’t the murdering to which they objected.
” The western intellectuals also seem more attuned to the idea of a complete command economy. “
That’s because they all believe that it will be *they*, personally, who will be doing the ‘commanding’....
What socialism, fascism and other ideologies of the left have in common is an assumption that some very wise people like themselves need to take decisions out of the hands of lesser people, like the rest of us, and impose those decisions by government fiat.Excellent.
I would put it differently. Obama is clearly a socialist, in terms of his goals and world outlook. Fascism is a form of socialism. Ultimately, Obama would prefer the Soviet Stalinist model of state ownership of everything to the Italian/Nazi model. However, he cannot overturn private property rights in the US in one fell swoop. So, he takes control of private industries as best he can in his first term. That begins to resemble fascism. But he is a commie through and through, with Islamic tendencies.
I think the tide might have turned in WWII when Hitler broke the treaty with Stalin and attacked Russia. Not that Stalin would not have done the same thing if the roles were reversed, but Stalin survived, Hitler did not, and history is written by the winners.
Thanks. I will.
We always knew.
T.Sowell Bump.
Clear as a bell.
He has no heart. Not part of his narcissistic personality disorder. He was molded and used by Marxist, who knew how to take advantage of the personality disorder. If and when his Marxist mentors lose control of him, the world will pay a very big price. That is probably why they have him sedated most of the time now and he rarely makes any sense what so ever.
Works better than a voting booth and more permanent as well.
I like my definition better anyway: "Fascist, Neo-Commie."
Obamas political philosophy to get elected is fascist, but in his heart hes a Marxist.
“Communism and fascism are the ultimate Marxist competitors.” - America’s 30 Years War: Who Is Winning? - Balint Vazsonyi
You're right. "Fascist" packs no punch in our time. If you tell someone that Hitler was a Fascist, they're likely to retort that Obama doesn't want to kill Jews.
Socialism has many forms and names. They all result in enslavement of the citizens.
Both. In the vernacular socialist means “ sharing the wealth”. Under that definition there can be no doubt that Obama is socialist as well as fascist.
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