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To: DMZFrank; Hulka; wardaddy; Chode; CodeToad; SkyDancer
Back in the 1980s I was assigned as an NCOIC in charge of a night navigation course when I was a military police platoon sergeant in the Illinois National Guard. It was a relatively simple dead reckoning course consisting of following a series of azimuths for a specified distance, retrieving a specified object at each destination, and returning with them. The battalion commander had ordered every field grade officer to complete the course. One newly commissioned female second LT., a military police platoon leader in our 19-77 TOE military police Company, which amongst other duties was tasked with a light infantry rear area security role refused to take the course. When I asked her why she she did not want to take the course, she told me that she was afraid of the dark. I repeatedly asked her to complete the course and she repeatedly refused to do so. I marked her sheet as a failure to complete the course.

Later the officer in charge of the course called me aside and requested that I give the errant butter bar a passing grade. I refused to do so, citing the fact that this woman was expected to be able to lead her troops into combat, EVEN AT NIGHT. The officer blew his stack and threatened me with disciplinary action for refusing to obey his order. I told him that if he wanted to pass her, that was up to him but I would not do so. He subsequently calmed down and apologized to me explaining that he was under terrific pressure to pass all of the newly acquired women through all the training whether they qualified or not. I sympathized with him because he was actually a pretty good officer, and I was already aware of the background political machinations behind the integration of women into our outfit. I understand that the second lieutenant in question was assigned another administrative position within the battalion

In later years, this afraid-of-the-dark female 2nd Looie will brag on the internet that she "went through exactly the same training as the guys," and loudly brag about kicking Marine Recon butt, and flying into thunderstorms to prove her courage.

Why argue with someone who is clearly delusional?

377 posted on 06/16/2012 5:14:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
UP!
382 posted on 06/16/2012 5:47:22 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

You run across one or two or three women and then you group them all into one of your ideals of what we are. Pity. I’ve been on Skype with about five people here and we had great fun chatting about this back and forth. They understand where I was coming from. Apparently you don’t.


398 posted on 06/16/2012 6:23:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: Travis McGee; DuncanWaring
“Later the officer in charge of the course called me aside and requested that I give the errant butter bar a passing grade. I refused to do so, citing the fact that this woman was expected to be able to lead her troops into combat, EVEN AT NIGHT. The officer blew his stack and threatened me with disciplinary action for refusing to obey his order. I told him that if he wanted to pass her, that was up to him but I would not do so. He subsequently calmed down and apologized to me explaining that he was under terrific pressure to pass all of the newly acquired women through all the training whether they qualified or not. I sympathized with him because he was actually a pretty good officer, and I was already aware of the background political machinations behind the integration of women into our outfit. I understand that the second lieutenant in question was assigned another administrative position within the battalion”

This is where I am in total agreement with you. Under no circumstances can the standards be lowered. Rangers, SEALs, Delta, etc. are the elite of the elite. They must remain so. All candidates must pass the rigorous qualifications honestly. Equal opportunity but under no circumstances equal outcome. It is imperative that those who pass the qualifications do so honestly without any political pressure on the COs. Period. I understand that most Admirals and Generals are not up to the task of keeping politics out of this kind of thing, but that is a different problem.

456 posted on 06/16/2012 9:16:51 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: Travis McGee

http://www.stargazette.com/article/20120616/NEWS01/206160343/Female-soldiers-need-better-health-care-study-says?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Local%20News

An Army task force led by female officers says the military is falling short in providing equal health care for women on the battlefield even as public pressure grows to allow them a broader role in combat.

Basic improvements are needed to help women avoid higher rates of urinary tract or vaginal infections, stress-related menstrual difficulties and the chafing, bruising and bleeding caused by ill-fitting body armor designed for men, the task force’s report says.


457 posted on 06/16/2012 9:37:47 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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