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To: bill1952
no vote for Mitt is a vote for Obama and thats just a fact.

I refuse to accede to this reasoning; it is fatally flawed and I refuse to cast my vote for the second prong of Morton's Fork.

What is right for America is to toss obama and then work forward.

That is indeed what would be necessary; however you're deluding yourself thinking Romney is going to work forward. He will at best hold things at about the level they are at now. I have seen nothing that indicates he would encourage responsible spending, dismantle the TSA, encourage the repeal of NDAA, Patriot Act, etc.

In short, all I see him as is a "relief valve" for the statists to keep the 'conservatives' from blowing up and actually starting stuff: that is, he'll simply give people the time to realize that this is the new normal. And honestly, with the opposition form Congress or the Judicial branch there was nothing he could do anyway.

Get out your arguments about why Roberts's decision was excellent, because you're going to need them should Romney get elected.

>If the GOP wanted to win, they probably could do very nicely with a Gary Johnson / Ron Paul ticket.
LOL Sigh... 48 state loss.

Really? You think running on a platform consisting of "We want to end the TSA, the horribly destructive WoD, the government over-reaches that led to things like ObamaCare and the excessive and irresponsible spending" would lead to a whole 48 state loss... even with Obama in as little favor as he is now?

They aren't ideal by any means. But they are for responsible spending and generally less government. Plus Ron Paul is rather popular with the college-agers, combined with the general feeling of betrayal some have with Obama continuing Bush's policies, and that's a nice voting block there. Further, Ron Paul as VP means that the usual arguments against him are moot, because they are against him being president. Johnson, as I said was a good governor, and I think would make a decent President.

If it really is as bad as you portray then America is toast and cannot elect anyone who is even right of center again.
If that be the case, then why shouldn't I vote directly for Obama? Crash the system and let it burn, cause there's no way to stop it.

46 posted on 06/29/2012 5:39:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
I refuse to accede to this reasoning; it is fatally flawed and I refuse to cast my vote for the second prong of Morton's Fork.

Proves my point - you go ahead vote for obama to remain

however you're deluding yourself thinking Romney is going to work forward.

I don't think that at all - it is irrelevant to my point about the best thing for America is to rid us of Obama. - I will work on everything else after he is gone.

Really? You think running on a platform consisting of "We want to end the TSA, the horribly destructive WoD, the government over-reaches that led to things like ObamaCare and the excessive and irresponsible spending" would lead to a whole 48 state loss... even with Obama in as little favor as he is now?

Absolutely. Look, Ron Paul, any of his strengths notwithstanding, is a kook, and that, right or wrong to your mind, is how he is perceived in 90%+ of the American electorate. 48 states is about right on the high side of the estimate - O might only win 46 again that slate

f that be the case, then why shouldn't I vote directly for Obama?

Thank you for the final admission.

47 posted on 06/29/2012 6:24:47 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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