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Air France Flight 447 Crash 'Didn't Have to Happen,' Expert Says
ABC News ^
| July 5, 2012
| Matt Hosford, Lauren Effron and Nikki Batiste
Posted on 07/06/2012 9:19:28 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:19:44 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
To: Olog-hai
Pitot heat is your friend.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:26:17 AM PDT
by
HerrBlucher
("The cross opens its arms to the four winds; it is a signpost for free travelers." GK Chesterton)
To: Olog-hai
This news does not make me feel good about future flying.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:27:00 AM PDT
by
adamjeeps
To: Olog-hai
If it ain’t Boeing, I’m not going.
To: HerrBlucher
I was going to say, if a C172 has it, surely an Airbus would. And that instrument was invented by a frenchie, which makes this all the more puzzling.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:32:27 AM PDT
by
johncocktoasten
(Practicing asymetrical thread warfare against anti-Palin Trolls)
To: Olog-hai
Air France Flight 447 Crash 'Didn't Have to Happen,' Expert SaysThank you, Captain Obvious.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:33:51 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
(FUJR (not you, Jim))
To: adamjeeps
Air travel is becoming increasingly safer, in large part due to automation. This is an issue that needs to be addressed, but it does not mean air travel is unsafe.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:36:00 AM PDT
by
Lonesome in Massachussets
(The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
To: HerrBlucher
Shouldn’t there be an automatic cross-check between the pitot and GPS to see if there’s a major disagreement?
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:38:45 AM PDT
by
Right Wing Assault
(Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
To: Ronald_Magnus
If it aint Boeing, Im not going.
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When it’s pilot error that ultimately brings the plane down, it doesn’t matter who built the aircraft.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:40:07 AM PDT
by
dmz
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To: F15Eagle
Its scary they could be that clueless. How did they ever get into a cockpit seat?
and to your point:
"It was not until the final three seconds before the plane hit the Atlantic that the pilots even realized they were going to crash, the black box tapes revealed. "
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:44:19 AM PDT
by
God luvs America
(63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Air travel is becoming increasingly safer, in large part due to automation
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:46:09 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
(FUJR (not you, Jim))
To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I know, too many damn computers and not enough actual ability to fly the plane. Kind of like driving and auto mechanics, can’t rely on the computer all the time.
To: Right Wing Assault
You would think. When I took instrument training the point was to scan key instruments, airspeed, altimeter, vertical speed indicator, heading indicator, artificial horizon etc, and not rely on just one. They were in extreme turbulence though, all hell must have been breaking loose.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:47:45 AM PDT
by
HerrBlucher
("The cross opens its arms to the four winds; it is a signpost for free travelers." GK Chesterton)
To: F15Eagle
Its scary they could be that clueless. How did they ever get into a cockpit seat? The captain put the plane on course for bad weather that other aircraft were avoiding, and then he left the cockpit for his break. The two pilots left on deck didn't know how to manually fly the plane based on the transcripts.
From what I've read, pilots in Europe don't need any experience flying before becoming an airline pilot. Being able to punch numbers into a computer is good enough.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:49:59 AM PDT
by
Moonman62
(The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
To: Olog-hai
So basically, the pilots didn’t know how to fly by instrumentation?
Fundamental flight control settings and piloting would not have produced stall conditions.
If the pitot tube was producing an abnormally low airspeed why would the pilots decrease throttle to a stall?
Color me skeptical.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:50:40 AM PDT
by
Justa
To: Right Wing Assault
Nope - disagreements between pitot and GPS are to be expected.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:52:19 AM PDT
by
DuncanWaring
(The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
To: F15Eagle
The tail was being pushed by the winds so much I felt certain we were not going to be able to make a successful touchdown. Never felt an a/c yaw that much... One method of dealing with a significant crosswind is to yaw in such a way that the aircraft would be pointing quite a bit away from straight down the runway; rectify the crab in the flare to the ground; and typically land first on the upwind wheel.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:54:14 AM PDT
by
C210N
("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
To: Ronald_Magnus
If it aint Boeing, Im not going.It's not just Airbus.It's happened at least once with Boeing. Blocked Pitot Tube
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:55:04 AM PDT
by
Gay State Conservative
(Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
To: Olog-hai
There was another crash involving mud daubers clogging up a pitot tube.
Don't remember the details other than it was a charter flight using a replacement plane that had been sitting idle for about 3 wks. w/o covers on the tubes.
At altitude the flight envelop is very narrow. It doesn't take much up attitude to create a stall, even at high speed because the thin air has much less lift.
My son told me the drill if your instruments fail. IIRC 4⁰up attitude, 75% power.
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posted on
07/06/2012 9:58:24 AM PDT
by
Vinnie
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