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If BHO is reelected, Time for Texas to Secede (Vanity)
July 7, 2012 | no dems

Posted on 07/07/2012 10:55:47 AM PDT by no dems

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I am not joking. Somebody help me out. How would we start a Secession Movement if this crazy nation reelects the Kenyan Marxist we have in the White House?
1 posted on 07/07/2012 10:55:56 AM PDT by no dems
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To: no dems

I’ve read all the various treaties and ordinances by which TX entered the Union.

Contrary to popular opinion, none of them have any language that would allow for secession.

They do allow TX to split into up to five states, if TX and the Congress so decide. But then any state can split up on the same terms, so that’s no big deal either.


2 posted on 07/07/2012 10:59:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: no dems

“If BHO is re-elected”

Oh man, don’t hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ


3 posted on 07/07/2012 10:59:21 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: no dems

Lincoln made SURE no single State can secede anymore.

Old Abe made the central state supreme.


4 posted on 07/07/2012 10:59:45 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: no dems
If BHO is reelected. . . .

How about first directing all efforts toward making sure that that does not happen? There is a very good possibility that BHO will LOSE, so let's help make THAT happen.

5 posted on 07/07/2012 11:01:26 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Repeal Obama.)
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To: no dems

Congratulations! You have just joined homeland secrity’s terrorist watch list.


6 posted on 07/07/2012 11:02:07 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: no dems

I really doubt the companies like Exxon, Conoco, ATT, Dell, Sysco, Halliburton, Kimberly Clark, etc. would want to be out of the Federal protection racket.


7 posted on 07/07/2012 11:03:00 AM PDT by sagar
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To: no dems

I thought I read somewhere that Texas gave up that right after the Civil War, but I could be wrong. It doesn’t matter anyway if they have the right or not, the Feds would still consider it an act of sedition as they would with any state. Texas is a “payer state”, not a “taker state”. The Feds could not afford to lose her. Texas could easily function completely on her own borders with no outside assistance from anyone. However, IF the big oil & gas states such as Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma etc. banded together on something like this....well, pop the popcorn because it would sure get interesting quick.


8 posted on 07/07/2012 11:03:32 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: Sherman Logan

If the federal government isn’t abiding by the contract by which the states entered the union, ie forcing their residents to buy something and henceforth fining them if they don’t buy said thing, do you really think Texas should abide by their contract to the FEDgov?

If Texas does, I’d ride a bike from NYC to Texas. I want to get the heck out of here anyway, away from Daddy Bloomberg and his Socialist utopia.


9 posted on 07/07/2012 11:04:08 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: saganite

Did he use a key word their watch list?


10 posted on 07/07/2012 11:04:55 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: no dems

Texas has no interest in seceding. Even Perry has said he was joking when he said something about seceding. It made him look foolish...not that he needs much help doing that. Not gonna happen. That’s a clown suggestion, bro.


11 posted on 07/07/2012 11:06:51 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: no dems
Definitely an option
12 posted on 07/07/2012 11:07:48 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: no dems
"All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper." --Texas state constitution.

I don't suppose for an instant that this would be honored by the federal government though. It wasn't last time, after all. If Texas tried it, even by popular vote, they'd get wiped slick by the federal government.

13 posted on 07/07/2012 11:08:22 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: no dems

If you guys succeed, will you accept refugees from the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois?


14 posted on 07/07/2012 11:08:22 AM PDT by Marathoner (Amnesty on Monday, socialized medicine on Thursday, we are sooo screwed.)
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To: Sherman Logan

You are so correct. But we can fly our Texas flag the same height as the U.S. Flag.


15 posted on 07/07/2012 11:08:53 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: saganite

Don’t you think we are all on the list, just for being on FR to begin with?


16 posted on 07/07/2012 11:09:42 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: no dems
Those that do not know their history perpetuate this myth. It is just another Texas myth. Texas entered the Union with the right to divide itself into several smaller states if it so chose. We never did so because we were more powerful electorally as a whole. Yes, Texas was a Republic. So was California for a very short time. Sam Houston's priority as our first president was to convince the United States to allow us into the Union. We were a failure as a Republic and in constant danger of being reclaimed by Mexico. Hitler even attempted to induce Mexico to attack us with promises of returning Texas to Mexico after he won the war.

In addition, Texas lost ALL of its original agreements with the United States when it seceeded and joined the Confederacy. It rejoined the Union, beaten and compromised, and under the same sorry rules as the rest of the former Confederate states. Texas has as much "legal right" to leave the Union today as Louisiana or South Carolina.

That said, if Texans really want to leave the union, it can most likely leave the Union. Every Democrat in America would appreciate us taking our powerful electoral votes (the votes that now anchor the Republican party to some form of power) and leaving. That would ensure that the rest of the United States had a Democrat in the White House for evermore.
17 posted on 07/07/2012 11:11:08 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: no dems

What would happen if all 57 states seceded?


18 posted on 07/07/2012 11:11:16 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1263 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: no dems
I am not joking. Somebody help me out. How would we start a Secession Movement if this crazy nation reelects the Kenyan Marxist we have in the White House?

Read this:

Molon Labe!
by Boston T. Party (Kenneth W. Royce)


19 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:20 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: no dems

I think if Texas went, several other states may very well go with it.

Alaska has always been another one I’ve always wondered why they hang on. They are 100% self sufficient with access to the ocean and abundant natural resources. Much of their state is federal land, prohibiting them from using their own land.

I just wonder if such scenarios could lead to another ‘war between states’ if the president should attempt to FORCE them to stay as Lincoln did. Very interesting topic, because if things continue to deteriorate, I don’t believe it’s unrealistic.


20 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:35 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: no dems

I think Texas is already part of Mexico again.


21 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: no dems

Just be careful of many secession movements out there like the Republic of Texas movement. Most are scams to sell fake land grants or bogus currency. Any real movement would need to be sure to disassociate with these type of groups.


22 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:35 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Posting on FR is all it takes.


23 posted on 07/07/2012 11:13:23 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: no dems

I don’t think Texas can do it, but I’d support any such action. I think I would have to consider moving to the Hill Country.


24 posted on 07/07/2012 11:13:23 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: DRey
"Yes, Texas was a Republic. So was California for a very short time"

And Vermont.

25 posted on 07/07/2012 11:13:40 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Marathoner

I’m from Western Arkansas. Maybe it is time for me to buy a lot somewhere in Texas.


26 posted on 07/07/2012 11:14:24 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: no dems
Actually, all states can legally secede, regardless of what some say. If you join an organization, in this case a Union, you can un join it. The war between the states should never have happened and wouldn't have if "Honest Abe" had lived up to the letter of the law and left the south alone. He pushed until the South fired on a Fort that was in Southern territory, the troops were left there in order for that to happen. Abe wanted the war so he could force the south back into the Union.

We would all be better off if the South had won or if the war had never occurred at all, especially if the war hadn't happened at all, we would still have states rights and slavery would still have gone away except it wouldn't have cost 500 million lives, mostly white lives by the way, in order to happen.

I hope Texas secedes and any other state that feels the same way goes with them.

27 posted on 07/07/2012 11:15:24 AM PDT by calex59
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To: no dems; xzins

The Feds have you and me and everyone else enslaved. Will Texans really vote to withdraw from Social Security, Medicare and pay back their share of the national debt?

If you read the history of the American Revolution you will realize that the kind of geographical and political situation which existed in 1760-1776 was wholly different than what it is today. I really don’t think anyone in power is going to seriously consider secession.

Civil Disobedience of Federal Edicts and firm assertion of States Rights is likely to do more to achieve liberty than talk of secession.

States need to take the position that “Congress passed this law, let them try to enforce it.” The Federal Government relies on the States to enforce nearly all their regulatory laws. Even Social Security and Medicare are administered by the states.

Arizona is on the cutting edge of potential Civil Disobedience and Sheriff Arpaio should be considered the George Washington or the Samuel Adams of the peaceful revolution.


28 posted on 07/07/2012 11:15:24 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: no dems

I think that if Texas did this, against the Feds and the Feds went after them, I would think that other states would join them. Then you could have another civil war.


29 posted on 07/07/2012 11:16:23 AM PDT by RC2 (Buy American and support the Wounded Warrior Project whenever possible.)
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To: Celtic Cross

Part of Tennessee was as well — Republic of Franklin. : )


30 posted on 07/07/2012 11:17:25 AM PDT by DRey (Condi for VP)
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To: lgjhn23
Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma

It would be a lot bigger than that. Just ask some of our other neighbors. I want no part of talk of secession. I want it all back and the Commie Bastards who are ruining the nation in Jail.

31 posted on 07/07/2012 11:19:50 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Charles Henrickson

There is a very good possibility that BHO will LOSE, so let’s help make THAT happen.
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That would be my first choice.


32 posted on 07/07/2012 11:19:57 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: DallasSun

But we can fly our Texas flag the same height as the U.S. Flag.


And so can the other 56 states.


33 posted on 07/07/2012 11:20:23 AM PDT by deport
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To: saganite

Congratulations! You have just joined homeland secrity’s terrorist watch list.
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Like I give a sh**.


34 posted on 07/07/2012 11:21:15 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: lgjhn23
Texas is a “payer state”, not a “taker state”. The Feds could not afford to lose her.

According to the data from the source below, TX gets .94 back for every dollar it sends to the feds.

That does indeed put her on the payer side, but just barely. #1 on the payer side, oddly, is NJ at .61. CA is at .78 and NY at .79.

If you look at the data there is a very obvious pattern. Red states tend to be takers, and blue states tend to be payers.

Somewhat counter-intuitive.

Data is from 2005. I couldn't find anything more recent, but I doubt the numbers have changed greatly. http://tax.d7.qorvisdev.com/article/federal-spending-received-dollar-taxes-paid-state-2005

35 posted on 07/07/2012 11:21:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: wastedyears

If Texas does, I’d ride a bike from NYC to Texas.
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Ever since Gov. Perry mentioned secession some months ago, I’ve had people in other States like Michigan and South Carolina tell me: “If that happens, I’m on my way to Texas.”


36 posted on 07/07/2012 11:23:22 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: DRey

And The Republic of Hawaii too, before it became a Territory and after it was a Kingdom.


37 posted on 07/07/2012 11:24:44 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: DallasSun

Not gonna happen. That’s a clown suggestion, bro.
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Hey, it would be a “fun” activity seeing how far it would go.


38 posted on 07/07/2012 11:25:12 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: KoRn
Alaska has always been another one I’ve always wondered why they hang on. They are 100% self sufficient with access to the ocean and abundant natural resources.

That self-sufficiency is of course why they're #3 on the list of "taker" states, with $1.84 in federal payments for each dollar of taxes.

http://tax.d7.qorvisdev.com/article/federal-spending-received-dollar-taxes-paid-state-2005

39 posted on 07/07/2012 11:25:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Celtic Cross

If Texas tried it, even by popular vote, they’d get wiped slick by the federal government.
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How so?


40 posted on 07/07/2012 11:26:20 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: deport

lol..I was being silly re: an ongoing claim that makes us look silly. But thanks for the “56” flags. Made me laugh.


41 posted on 07/07/2012 11:27:18 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: no dems

Now that you mention, it does sound like fun. A little mischief never hurt.


42 posted on 07/07/2012 11:28:20 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Arguably, Vermont.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Republic

Every state that seceded from the Union in 1860/61 was in (secessionist) legal theory briefly an independent republic before joining the CSA.


43 posted on 07/07/2012 11:28:23 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: no dems

In a word, no. I am an American, yes an American who owns a home in Texas, and no way am I willingly going to be a homeless refugee in a border state because Texas seceded.


44 posted on 07/07/2012 11:28:26 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: DallasSun

Perry “took it back” to keep from upsetting all the Uhaul noobTexans. We know he thinks about “it” just like real Texan’s do.

Secession isn’t a good public subject because of the the personal “followers” one would collect. By no means does that mean its not often thought about.

Secession is not something that we would “ask” the Feds if we can do. It will not come as a line in the sand declartation rather by continuing to push our 10th Amendment Rights, having to protect our own International border and refusing to take edicts from the likes of the EPA or nobamacare and the Feds being stupid enough to keep pushing.


45 posted on 07/07/2012 11:28:51 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: no dems

Because the federal government (maybe aided by Mexico) would bring massive firepower to bear against Texas. Same as it did last time. And Texas alone would not be able to defend itself successfully.


46 posted on 07/07/2012 11:31:36 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: X-spurt

all true with one exception. Perry was never serious and was aghast that anyone would think him serious.


47 posted on 07/07/2012 11:32:40 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: no dems

In the past six months, I’ve seen more “Secede” bumper stickers here in Texas than Obama or Romney stickers.

It’s always been a somewhat tongue-in-cheek proposition, but after the past few months of Obama’s lawlessness on illegal aliens, the faggotization of the military, and the recent Obamacare ruling turning citizens into serfs of the government... in which America is obviously in total and accelerating decay, well, I’m starting to look at secession as a very, very valid option.


48 posted on 07/07/2012 11:33:34 AM PDT by greene66
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To: no dems

I’d like Florida to seceed as well, but if it doesnot and Texas does, I’ll move there.

Texas is really hot though ><.


49 posted on 07/07/2012 11:33:49 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: lgjhn23

Just fyi, Oklahoma and Louisiana are taker states to use your lingo. There are only 11 payer states (states that bleed more money to the fed than they receive) and 39 taker states. I’ve made jaws drop when I’ve pointed out that Wyoming, percentage wise, is the biggest taker state in the union, receiving far more in federal money than is taken from the state. California might be nearly bankrupt internally, but it’s the biggest payer state, giving far more to the fed than it ever sees back.


50 posted on 07/07/2012 11:33:52 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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