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Maybe We Really Do Need a Third Party
Red State ^ | 7/9/2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 07/09/2012 1:20:40 PM PDT by IbJensen

“The problem for the GOP is that it is in danger of fracturing, not because it has moved so far right, but because it refuses to actually practice what it preaches.”

Senator Max Baucus of Montana receives campaign donations from the parent company of Phillip Morris. Senator Baucus then puts a provision in the highway transportation bill banning roll your own cigarette operations, a business that does not exist in Montana.

Forty people in Harry Reid’s Nevada and elsewhere will lose their jobs because a transportation bill actively and willfully legislated a legal business out of business by driving up the regulatory burden so excessively. Major cigarette manufacturers championed the legislation and Republicans supported it because it will increase tax revenue without them voting to raise taxes.

Put bluntly, Republicans voted to do exactly what they they accuse the Democrats of doing — shut down businesses by driving up regulatory burdens in an effort to increase taxes.

Max Baucus may have inserted the provision, but it made it through Republican House of Representatives. Maybe we do need a third party to do the job Republicans campaign on doing, but then get to Washington and don’t actually do.

I am not at the point of really advocating a third party. But I know me writing this will get the attention it needs to get.

The Republicans in Washington really have no clue.

For several months members of the media have lusted after a third party candidate — a serious “grown up” to speak the hard truths about the deficit, the need to raise taxes, etc. In fact, pay attention you people in the media, there is a very simple formula I have developed to explain the media these days:

Greater the number of stories about Americans Elect and No Labels

Equals

The lower the number of viewers and readers of the media outlet

The media elite who get positively orgasmic about things like No Labels and Americans Elect are convinced they are tapped into the pulse of the American people, but in fact are only tapped into the pulse of their throbbing for people like themselves being put in charge instead of the hicks and rubes from America’s river valleys the tea party types keep agitating for.

A third party could have been successful in the United States this year, but it would have required a populist attack against Washington and spending. Done right, it would have resonated across Tea Party and Occupy circles. But it did not happen.

As media ratings have declined and the talk within Beltway media circles of “serious” “adult” “third party” challenges has increased, Republican leaders in Washington who have more and more in common with the media that covers them and less and less in common with their constituents back home — hell, look at Indiana’s Senator who does not even live in Indiana anymore and consequently got thrown out much to the outrage of Beltway elites — have become less and less like the Party of Reagan and more and more like the Party of John Anderson.

The problem for the GOP is that it is in danger of fracturing, not because it has moved so far right, but because it refuses to actually practice what it preaches.

The Republican Party’s actual policy positions help small businesses and individuals. It is the party of the individual against the collective. But Republican leaders are not willing to actually fight for those values in the face of media criticism.

In fact, the very types of people the media and more senior Republicans and Democrats alike are advocating are the very people who made the compromise decisions to get us to $16 trillion in debt. And, by the way, we spent ourselves there we didn’t tax ourselves there.

This comes full circle.

A Republican Party that has been unwilling to cut spending has now let go through Congress legislation to shut down lawful, legal businesses because cigarette industry lobbyists and a Senate Democrat wanted it done.

We’re not ready for a third party and both this site and I will continue advocating for conservative Republicans, but if the GOP doesn’t finally get a clue, I won’t be surprised to see it implode. By the way, this year fewer and fewer Republican candidates are signing the tax pledge on the advice of Republican members of Congress. This is another warning sign that the Eric Cantor led Republican conference is going far afield from what those who vote Republican actually want.

The GOP better get back to its pro-liberty roots quickly.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: 2012; evilobamaregime; republicratpussies
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To: Jim Robinson; All
BTTT! And needs to be repeated again and again.

When the Chief Justice of the United States formally throws out the constitutional limits on government, we no longer have a constitutional republic!!


41 posted on 07/09/2012 3:46:54 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: RedMDer

Exactly right bump!


42 posted on 07/09/2012 4:06:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: IbJensen

Crony Capitalism is a bi-partisan provider of election campaign support, and finds bi-partisan takers for that support


43 posted on 07/09/2012 4:42:55 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: IbJensen

Maybe we should just repeal and replace the two existing ones.


44 posted on 07/09/2012 5:43:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Noumenon

Probably so.


45 posted on 07/09/2012 5:44:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Who, this time, are the two best?


46 posted on 07/09/2012 5:56:52 PM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Noumenon

“The First American Republic is dead. Died some time ago. It will take CWII to establish a Second American Republic.”

Yup. Agreed.


47 posted on 07/09/2012 6:05:51 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Long live the grass roots tea party rebellion!! Long live the Republic!! Long live Liberty!!”

Amen.


48 posted on 07/09/2012 6:12:45 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Jim Robinson
The republican party is no longer even remotely conservative. The Tea Party candidates and voters are looked down on with great disdain by the likes of Karl Rove and establishment freaks in and out of DC.
Isn't Romney an example of the very type of rino the Tea Party voter's worked long and hard to get rid of? now the irony is..he is the candidate. I am still recuperating from the hellacious primaries.
49 posted on 07/09/2012 6:28:17 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: IbJensen

After I posted, I realized I didn’t fully explain what I meant but I didn’t correct that.

I meant that all parties involved would run in a national primary and the two best vote getters would run in November.

Since that system doesn’t exist, your question doesn’t apply. Our individual state primaries are so scattered across time and so different in format and results that they are hard to interpret. One guy runs away with one state and another guy runs away with a different state.

The stupid debate formats are a jumble of liberal moderator gotcha questions combined with unequal treatment of candidates. The winner is based on who has the best one-liners rather than the best ideas. They aren’t even debates.

Having multiple parties makes the problem even more complicated, though.

What I don’t want is a candidate being able to win the presidential election with 40% of the vote. I would like to at least pretend that we can narrow our selection to two candidates.

With people voting not for the best person in their party but rather for the worst person in the other party is another complication.

What’s the best solution? I don’t know.


50 posted on 07/10/2012 1:39:40 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Jim Robinson; gonzo
***When the Chief Justice of the United States formally throws out the constitutional limits on government, we no longer have a constitutional republic!!***

And let's not forget Campaign Finance Reform which GW Bush signed because - he said - the SCOTUS would nix it anyway. It was approved. GOP-appointed judges do not have the best track record over the last 50 years re: Constitutional freedoms. Does the Constitution still rule the country?

And, of course, a country without a border is not a country - it is a territory... Thanks to SCOTUS for that also, making it unlawful for a state to protect its citizens from foreign invasion.

51 posted on 07/10/2012 10:10:20 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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