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To: butterdezillion

I definitely missed something along the way. What was said or written that implies the info Hawaii has is invalid?
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580 posted on 07/17/2012 5:48:52 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: tutstar

Registrar Alvin T. Onaka greets Arpaio’s Posse with POLICE? A Sheriff’s office conducting an official investigation can’t at least get to ask him a few questions? WHAT IS HE HIDING??? There’s your implication!


600 posted on 07/17/2012 6:11:49 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: tutstar

AZ Secretary of State requested that the HI DOH verify as true the following birth facts: gender male, DOB Aug 4, 1961, city of birth Honolulu, HI, island of birth Oahu, mother’s name Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, father’s name Barack Hussein Obama.

Hawaii statute (HRS 338-14.3) says that the DOH SHALL (mandatory, no discretion allowed) verify to anybody who qualifies the fact that they have a certificate on file AND any fact about the vital even that the requestor provides to be verified - with the stipulation that when the DOH verifies something it is certifying that the event happened as described by the requestor.

HI statute (HRS 338-17) says that the probative value of late and altered birth certificates is determined by a judicial or administrative person or body when the certificate is presented as evidence. IOW, the State of Hawaii considers the claims on late and altered certificates to be hearsay at best. The claims are NOT considered to be legally true.

So when you put all that together what it means is this: the only legal reason for Onaka to refuse to verify the facts that a qualified requestor asks to be verified is if those facts are not claimed on a legally valid record. The DOH cannot simply ignore some facts that a qualified requestor asks to be verified.

Onaka refused to verify any of the above-mentioned birth facts for Obama. He verified that the claims on Obama’s posted BC are the same claims as are in their birth record for him, so it’s not that Bennett’s guesses didn’t match the birth record. The only reason left for Onaka to refuse to verify those facts is because the record they have (which claims those things) is itself NON-VALID.

IOW, what Ken Bennett actually received from Alvin Onaka was an indirect confirmation that the birth record they have for Obama is not legally valid.

As I mentioned, the things that make a record non-valid are a late filing or major amendments. Those things have to be noted on a BC, and THAT is why Obama had to forge both his COLB and long-form even though the claims on a genuine copy of them would be the same as what his forgeries claimed. He had to get rid of the notes of the amendments.

If the hand-written codes on the forgery are the actual notations from the record they have for Obama, Zullo’s info from today is proof that the original record had no info in two of the fields - but the record the HDOH has now DOES have info in those fields, so the record HAS been amended.

When you look at the kind of amendments that require the BC to be marked as “ALTERED”, though, simply adding the father’s race would not be enough to do that. There had to be something larger than that, in addition to those items we know were changed (unless even the base document for the forgery was somebody other than Obama’s).


624 posted on 07/17/2012 6:55:09 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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