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To: cynwoody

I’m contending there is no physical original any more. Running out to Staples for a $150 scanner doesn’t do you any good if all you have is a crummy 25 year old over compressed scan.

And if there is no true original, it cannot be produced in court. What they _would_ produce is what I described.


68 posted on 07/20/2012 8:25:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: ctdonath2
I’m contending there is no physical original any more.

Not according to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, who was the director of the Hawaii Department of Health under Republican Governor Linda Lingle. Dr. Fukino has claimed to have inspected the original paper document twice:

As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.

"It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the time, Lingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked. Her second point — one she made repeatedly in the interview — is that the shorter, computer generated "certification of live birth" that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007 and has since been publicly released is the standard document that anybody requesting their birth certificate from the state of Hawaii would receive from the health department.

So, there you have it. I see no reason to doubt her account.

I think the two documents the DoH gave to Obama's lawyer were copies of the paper original that were stamped with Dr. Onaka's official stamp. Then the White House published a bad scan of one of the paper documents, done with 2011 technology, which got the birthers all wee-weed up. Which suits Obama just fine. The birthers can make asses of themselves until the cows come home, but if they ever start getting traction with the independents, Obama knows the evidence is on his side.

And if there is no true original, it cannot be produced in court. What they _would_ produce is what I described.

Which would be good enough either way — your theory or mine. As long as the facts coughed up in court by Hawaiian officials back up the facts on the long and short forms Obama has produced, he's in the clear, and the birthers are back at square 1. That's assuming it ever gets to court, of course.

70 posted on 07/21/2012 1:16:33 AM PDT by cynwoody
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