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1 posted on 07/31/2012 2:58:43 PM PDT by Perdogg
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Is Rubio Eligible?

1. Is Obama?

2. Why ask about Rubio?


2 posted on 07/31/2012 3:01:46 PM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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rubio is NOT eligible according to the dick cheney. rubio has what, one, two years as senator? rubio is also NOT eligible regarding Natural Born, but the dick cheney knows that.


3 posted on 07/31/2012 3:03:35 PM PDT by biggredd1
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No


5 posted on 07/31/2012 3:06:00 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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Apparently, with people juggling themselves around the globe, doing what people do, this whole concept of "native born" has become a moot point.

Actually, that probably makes sense, since at the time of the writing of the Constitution, it took a long time, a lot of money, a lot of determination and risking one's life on the seas to journey from continent-to continent.

Things have changed.

8 posted on 07/31/2012 3:10:43 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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Fred lost me when he started pushing de facto elimination of the Electoral College. I suppose I should click on the site to see his yes/no answer since it is not in the excerpt, but I cannot seem to do it.


9 posted on 07/31/2012 3:11:01 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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They contend that at least one of his parents were required at the time of his birth to have been a citizen for him to fulfill the constitutional requirement of eligibility, even though he was born on American soil.

At least one parent required to be a citizen? Unless it's both, you get into the dual citizenship problem. As I recall, the one citizen parent interpretation was developed out of thin air several years ago to try to legitimize Obama.

11 posted on 07/31/2012 3:14:43 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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Rubio has been co-opted now by the rhinos and sadly cannot be trusted to be a solid conservative and constitutionalist anymore , regardless of whether he is eliliginle or not IMHO.


13 posted on 07/31/2012 3:16:33 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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I can’t say that I agree with Fred on this, but one thing os for sure, we will never know how the Supreme Court will rule on the issue. That’s because they are too weak-kneed to ever take the issue up.


14 posted on 07/31/2012 3:16:54 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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I say nominate Rubio, and then send both Rubio’s case and Obama’s case up to the Supreme Court for decision.


15 posted on 07/31/2012 3:17:43 PM PDT by Brilliant
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A lot of citizens do think Rubio is not eligible.
No way around chasing the rabbits; it is what it is. Since the Jebster wants him; I know that Rubio has kissed the Bush ring (and has done so long ago). The insiders want the conservatives to saddle up, go along when it makes them look good.
16 posted on 07/31/2012 3:17:46 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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"Is Rubio Eligible?"

No, on several fronts. Mitt is a rinoceros. he does not need a Cuban rinoceros standing next to him.
20 posted on 07/31/2012 3:20:17 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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The bottom line is that to be a natural born citizen means that it is not necessary to be naturalized to become a citizen. Anyone born on American soil with the exception of those whose parents are here as an official representing a another nation is a NBC. Rubio and Jindle are both NBC.


22 posted on 07/31/2012 3:20:47 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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Just because you play a DA on television doesn't make you proficient in the interpretation of law......as evidenced in this article.
23 posted on 07/31/2012 3:22:19 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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Fred....You are wrong and your arguments is synthetic sleight of hand.

Seen it before.

BTW, Fred...Did you vote for Senate Resolution 511?

Where you affirmed in that vote that John Sydney McCain was qualified because he was born of two American Citizens on a US Military Base?


26 posted on 07/31/2012 3:24:28 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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No, Rubio is not eligible.

Citizenship is hereditary..... You get it from your parents.

No parental us citizenship at birth means NO natural-born (jus sanguines) citizen child.

IMHO, the confusion comes because the Founders only originally accounted for the two types of citizens...natural-born and naturalized. They also used the terms native an natural interchangeably (which doesn't help matters either)

With the passage of the 14th Amendment, a 'new' type of citizenship emerged. A foreigner's child born on the soil (jus soli) is a NATIVE born citizen. He is basically naturalized at birth by the 14th Amendment.

But the still doesn't make him natural-born.

31 posted on 07/31/2012 3:31:36 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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At least now we know why the GOP elite have consistently sidelined questions about Obama's BC; kind of the flip side of "what's good for the goose..."

Also:
in the rare instance when a judge has said that a NBC must have parents who are citizens, it has not been part of the decision in the case. Such comments have been gratuitous or “dictum,” as the lawyers say. That is, not necessary to the actual holding in the case.

Good way to resolve that would be to present the specific case to SCOTUS ... IIRC it's never been specifically addressed before.

Oh, that's right, apparently no one in the USA has proper standing to raise the issue.

32 posted on 07/31/2012 3:31:55 PM PDT by norton
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The RINO Rubio is way down on my list for VP. West would be good. So would Gov. Walker from Wisconsin, but I understand that the badger folk want to keep him. I get it. That’s cool.

I think a hard-core retired Marine general might fit in as VP. Somebody has to clean up the Aegean stables that Holder’s “peeples” are occupying.


34 posted on 07/31/2012 3:33:58 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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The Precedent has been set where NO ONE can challenge whatever schuck is Nominated, regardless if they're the product of some white slut inter-racial Kenyan breeding, or any other person who has two parents either of which is a non-U.S. Citizen.

We don't need no steenkin' Constitution anymore.

37 posted on 07/31/2012 3:37:55 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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Additional question, is Rubio a conservative? He, like Obama , bashed America in a speech praising the UN.
46 posted on 07/31/2012 3:49:37 PM PDT by opentalk
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It all comes down to this - What is the legal definition of NBC (Natural Born Citizen)?

According to Freddie on his page, it simply means being born on US soil.

According to other sources - the original intent and understanding was that both parents had to be US Citizens at the time of birth (on US Soil) for a child to have NBC status.

Both sides present court cases to back up their side. Which is right. I firmly believe that those who crafted the NBC requirement for POTUS had in mind a limiting of foreign influence. I can’t prove that, other than it seems far more consistent with other writings and ideas of the time.

How many times has the US Supreme Court used the term “Natural Born Citizen” to describe any other person besides “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”?

But we all know that case law and the US Constitution are all “living and breathing documents” subject to the interpretation and application of the person doing the interpreting.

UGH


48 posted on 07/31/2012 3:52:00 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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