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Time's up for climate change deniers
New Jersey Star-Ledger ^ | August 5, 2012 | by Star-Ledger Editorial Board

Posted on 08/05/2012 6:19:52 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Forget the Olympics. Want to watch records being broken? Turn on the weather report.

Everywhere you look, Mother Nature is grumpy. Even skeptics are starting to come around. While no hurricane or heat wave is direct proof of warming, the worldwide pattern of record-breaking weather extremes most certainly is.

Accepting climate change as fact isn’t an inconsequential choice. Extremes in heat and cold are buckling highways, railroads and runways. Floods routinely overwhelm drains and streams. Sea levels could rise a foot by 2050, threatening coastlines worldwide. Adapting our infrastructure to new weather realities requires a committed population.

Retrofits will take generations. The cost is incalculable. Imagine the cost of ignoring it.

Climate ignorance is a self-inflicted wound. Citizens can no longer sit on the sidelines and pretend it’s a political position.

If the people who control the decisions and the purse strings continue to deny climate change, whether for politics or ignorance, a lot of folks will be left under water.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.nj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climategate; failure; hoax; socialism
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To: rktman

“What idiots! It’s called WEATHER.”

Around 1978, and a couple of winters before and after, we had periods of two or three weeks of steady below-zero temperatures.

At that time weather alarmists were sounding the bells announcing a new ice age, and they were claiming there was scientific evidence to prove it. (They were the usual brilliant intellectuals who showed up to scare everyone into giving up power to a central authority and they sounded like such geniuses, glasses hanging from thier noses and all.)

Just saying.


51 posted on 08/05/2012 7:57:11 AM PDT by ripley
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To: rktman

“What idiots! It’s called WEATHER.”

Around 1978, and a couple of winters before and after, we had periods of two or three weeks of steady below-zero temperatures.

At that time weather alarmists were sounding the bells announcing a new ice age, and they were claiming there was scientific evidence to prove it. (They were the usual brilliant intellectuals who showed up to scare everyone into giving up power to a central authority and they sounded like such geniuses, glasses hanging from thier noses and all.)

Just saying.


52 posted on 08/05/2012 7:57:26 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
In related but unreported news, it has now been 2477 days since the last major (magnitude 3 or greater) hurricane has made landfall in the US. This shatters the previous record of 2231 days set 19 Oct 1906.

This calm period is caused by Global Warming, as would be a period of hurricane activity, and it's all Bush's fault.

53 posted on 08/05/2012 8:15:11 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: sima_yi

“Retrofits will take generations. The cost is incalculable.” Typical start to your typical open-ended liberal boondoggle.


54 posted on 08/05/2012 8:19:28 AM PDT by Kanzan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
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Comparing droughts: 1934 and 2012
55 posted on 08/05/2012 8:22:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
*whinge* It's HOT! *whinge* There are so many STORMS! *whinge* Must be Global Warming, oops, I mean Climate Change!*whinge*

For heaven's sake, of course it's hot, that's called SUMMER! In a few months, it will be really COLD! And yes, there are lot of storms; there always have been, but it just SEEMS like there are more because we now see the coverage 24/7 thanks to Cable News channels. These storms aren't appreciably worse than the ones that occurred 50 years ago, it's just that there are now more buildings and humans in the way of them than there were 50 years ago, so there is a lot more damage left in their wakes.

56 posted on 08/05/2012 8:25:47 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So two years after the winter without a summer and record cold temperatures, we get this crap again?

In 2008 the Global Warming crowd claimed there would be NO sea ice at the arctic by the end of summer.


57 posted on 08/05/2012 8:26:19 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Sea levels could rise a foot by 2050, threatening coastlines worldwide

But they could also fall by a foot thereby creating a boom in beach front property worldwide. A$$hat$.

Or they could stay about the same which is what any sane person would expect.

58 posted on 08/05/2012 8:27:09 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Only the most gullible still believe in the climate hoax. This fish wrapper might sell it to the poor dolts who haven’t yet left Newark, but no informed person is still being fooled by the scam.


59 posted on 08/05/2012 8:56:30 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: ripley

Let’s see, glasses hanging from their noses............hmmmm! Sounds like someone we all know and love............... Now I remember, carl levin right? Another brilliant scholar no doubt. You can tell by the glasses hanging from the probiscus. Looks like about a 4 inch reach to me. LOL! Of course our “friend” uncle chuck schumer does the same thing on occasion and we all know how brilliant he is. ROTFLMAO. Didn’t Foghorn Leghorn wear glasses in a similar manner?

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


60 posted on 08/05/2012 9:15:16 AM PDT by rktman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s called desperation.


61 posted on 08/05/2012 9:17:10 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: cripplecreek

Don’t you know that dams=bad. Just ask any paddler or anyone that doesn’t understand basic physics. Meaning 95% of the population. I do dam remediation projects from time to time btw.


62 posted on 08/05/2012 9:28:58 AM PDT by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: smaug6

Funny thing is that the two dams in Ann Arbor Michigan are going to be retrofitted to produce electricity, its the other 3000+ dams in Michigan that need to come out.

Electricity for me and none for thee.


63 posted on 08/05/2012 9:40:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: sauropod

I have often said that if one lets a liberal talk long enough, you can see exactly what they think, not what they want you to think they think.

The passage you highlighted is evidence in point. Excellent post.


64 posted on 08/05/2012 9:41:38 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: CommieCutter

Bfl


65 posted on 08/05/2012 9:45:40 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: rktman

“Sounds like someone we all know and love.”

Yup. The usual Progressive pap artists who further the presumption that all Progressives are brilliant while all those Christians in flyover country are bible-thumping, gun-loving, knuckle-dragging morons.

As one of the fine, intellectual, brilliant Senators said, that you mentioned, that his colleagues on the other side must be made aware that our government has three branches; the Senate, the House and the Presidency. (Absolutely brilliant, along with Mr. Obama’s proclamation that there are now 57 states in the U.S..)

IMHO

Best Regards


66 posted on 08/05/2012 9:55:23 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
[Screed] Adapting our infrastructure to new weather realities requires a committed population.

Translation: Dragoon the citizen body into liberalism, flog the slow movers to reeducation camps, and shoot the refractory.

Same old Commie crap from 110 years ago.

Whoever turned off the Palmer raids did fantastic damage to America. We need to find out who that was, dig up his bones, hang them, then burn them, then bury the ashes under a freeway.

67 posted on 08/05/2012 10:17:49 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The only truth to the coincidence of “climate change” and current global weather patterns is the natural occasion of a period when climate cycles are in the process of nearing a point of “changing directions”; causing the greatest natural disturbance in weather patterns.

Global weather has been experiencing a gradual warming trend (with fits and starts) since the last “little ice age”.

If the rate of “extreme weather” means anything at this point, it might quite naturally mean we are on the cusp of a natural and major “cooling” trend.


68 posted on 08/05/2012 10:21:15 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Texas Fossil
Paleotemperature curves show what has happened in each of the preceding interglacial epochs, and we are in one now, which will end in about 800-1800 years (my own correlation).

Generally, each interglacial starts with a bang, with a sharp rise in global annual temperatures, achieving a maximum, or Climatic Optimum, about 1000-3000 years in. The curves are modulated curves, i.e. there are several cyclicities at work, and their influences are additive (positive or negative values), and they are rank-ordered by profundity.

The temperature break at the end of the Pliocene Epoch was the first-order change. The glacials and interglacials are the second order changes. Third-, fourth-, and fifth-order variations turn the interglacial temperature curves into cockscombs which roach, or curve, from the Climatic Optimum (maximal temps) gradually downward toward the end of the interglacial 6000-12,000 years later, ending with a temperature crash and the onset of full-glacial conditions.

The new evidence from tree rings shows that the net background change, i.e. trend, in global temperatures since the time of the Romans has been downward (comprehensively refuting the "Hockey Stick" thesis), in agreement with the major trend in previous interglacials.

Enjoy it while it lasts. By the 38th century, we're history.

One last point: Warmer = wetter, and abundant harvests. Cooler = drier weather, and crop failure. The AGW crowd hasn't figured that out yet, or they'd be building their "We need totalitarian Communism NOW!" message on the Russo-Danish astrophysicists' predictions of low sunspot activity, cooler global temperatures, and all that that entails (as during the Dalton and Maunder lows).

69 posted on 08/05/2012 10:31:23 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Oh! So now I know why the New Jersey Turnpike is buckling and collapsing! It’s global warming - not corruptocrats and the union who steal money which is designated for infrastructure. What a relief!


70 posted on 08/05/2012 10:44:36 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I’m hoping the “warmists” don’t settle on “teen girls wearing revealing clothing” as a cause for AGW. Anything but that. ;-)


71 posted on 08/05/2012 10:49:24 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

[Everywhere you look, Mother Nature is grumpy.]

When an editorial writer turns science into a cartoon character he assumes his audience is as dumb as he is.


72 posted on 08/05/2012 11:07:10 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah someone posted on here a report detailing how we could produce enough electricity for several million homes by retrofitting existing dams to produce power. Also the Idaho national lab has a report out about how we could double our electrical output from hydro which currently represents about 6% of the national total. Imagine if we had spent solyndra et. al. money on this. Yep there would be jobs and actual super cheap renewable power. But nope. We need to bail out GM for the third time. jeez.


73 posted on 08/05/2012 11:15:23 AM PDT by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

NO ONE has ever “denied” the fact that there is climate change. In fact, “Climate Change” is normal, always has been. Once, thousands of years ago, there was an ice sheet a mile thick covering most of the Midwest and Eastern United States. Where is it now? It melted.

Climate change. What has been denied is that the incredibly tiny amount of CO2 that Man has added to the atmosphere is responsible for some sort of climatic catastrophe that never happens, even when Al Gore predicts it. So, to all you Chicken Littles out there, MORON this later.


74 posted on 08/05/2012 11:23:45 AM PDT by Richard Axtell (Take that... Statist Slime!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If the people who control the decisions and the purse strings continue to deny climate change, whether for politics or ignorance, a lot of folks will be left under water.


75 posted on 08/05/2012 11:54:01 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (The)
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To: cripplecreek
Forget the Olympics. Want to watch records being broken? Turn on the weather report.

Skepticism is a benchmark of real science.
OK.
One more time...

There is a huge difference between the discussion of weather and climate.
If the editorial board of the Star-Ledger can't spare to time to educate themselves and understand that difference, I don't have the time to read their crap.

76 posted on 08/05/2012 12:29:03 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
You're setting yourself up if you ask for this. I'm sure that if mathematical proof is wanting, they can always find a mathematician or two to whip it up.

If that mathematician is related in any way with East Anglia, prepare the popcorn for hours of free laughter and entertainment.

Mathematics refuses to succumb to data manipulation and selective deletions, or accidental loss of supporting data, or outrageously claiming (Waaaaaaah!) that you can't reveal your analytical methods, because you'll just criticise it!

77 posted on 08/05/2012 12:39:49 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
climate change as fact

Climate change is a fact. It happens all of the time, in cycles. Usually over hundreds of years.

If the Star-Ledger Editorial Board thinks that man is causing climate change, then the Editorial Board should stick to journalism, because they obviously don't have a clue regarding science.

I'll give the Board a free clue: climate change is caused mostly by the sun. You know that bright thing in the sky that rises in the east and sets in the west.

5.56mm

78 posted on 08/05/2012 12:40:14 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Da Coyote
The ability of journalists to display their scientific ignorance never fails to amaze.

The ability of some scientists to display their scientific ignorance never fails to amaze.

79 posted on 08/05/2012 12:44:08 PM PDT by mtg
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To: silverleaf
> Manhhattan would still be under a mile of ice

Directly where I now sit there was an ice sheet a mile and a half thick, only 15,000 years. Not too much traffic back then, it must have been the Mammoth farts that saved us. Come to think of the volume of that big ice sheet, they would have to have been mammoth Mammoth farts.

BTW, the comments at the site are 90% in rebuttal to the Goebbels who wrote the article.

80 posted on 08/05/2012 2:13:21 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Russo-Danish astrophysicists' predictions of low sunspot activity

In the "long term" we are all dead". Shorter term, we have bottomed and are coming out of the sunspot minimum (very long and quiet one). My take is that it is not about warming or cooling as much as it is about weather variations. Weather is in fact more unpredictable during the transition through minimums and maximums. Weather is very local. Global trends do not mean as much. I know about crop failures. My family has owned/farmed land in this county since 1889. I was the first family member to move away, gone 25 years, back 17 years. Before that our ancestors farmed in TX, AL and GA. Some of my ancestors weathered the terrible TX drought in 1895. It was something like what we had between Oct. 1, 2010 to Oct. 1, 2011. We had 2-3/4" of rain for 12 months and incredibly hot temperatures. That pattern broke in mid October 2011 and we had a pretty normal winter and early spring. From there we are back in a drought pattern. We shall see what the fall and winter bring.

81 posted on 08/05/2012 2:22:50 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Too bad the Star-Ledger doesn’t see fit to print the news that is inconvenient to their point of view, or they could have looked up the following facts in their own archives:

“A shift away from coal and reduced gasoline demand coupled with a mild winter led to an 8 percent drop in U.S. carbon dioxide emissions during the first quarter of 2012, reports the Energy Information Administration. Emissions between January and March 2012 were the lowest since 1992.

Read more: http://news.mongabay.com/2012/0801-us-co2-2012.html#ixzz22iqLTlvc";

Other sources note that US CO2 emissions have fallen further and faster than those of any other country, primarily because of fracking; some say we are on course to meet the Kyoto standards. So the only conclusion to be reached, using the Star-Ledger’s short-sighted and blindered approach , is that the more our CO2 emissions drop, the hotter it gets.


82 posted on 08/05/2012 5:54:52 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: ripley

Hey Ripley. I’m proud to be a fly-over moron for sure!!! LOL! Much better that a belt-way moron. And, the glasses on the nose reminded me of a character in some disney animated show. I believe it was a rat that had the glasses on the nose like that. It figures. LOL! And also, since we’ve added 7 states, shouldn’t the tax revenue from those 7 help bring down the debt? Or have they not paid any for 10 years like mittens.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


83 posted on 08/06/2012 6:53:03 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

“Orhave they not paid for ten years like Mittens.”

Uh oh. You a lurker?

Just asking.


84 posted on 08/06/2012 9:50:30 AM PDT by ripley
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To: ripley

Not! Forgot the “sarcasm ON button”.
Has hairy reed paid his taxes? He won’t release his tax records. Of course there is no “requirement” to release them in the first place. And, wouldn’t it be easy for some intrepid reporter to just call the IRS and ask if Mitt filed his taxes? Yes or no answer from them would settle the question rather than relying on hairy’s “reliable” source. No details required, just yes or no. Did we just get sidetracked? Never mind. LOL!


85 posted on 08/07/2012 7:13:11 AM PDT by rktman
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