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To: Phlyer
Since you can't tell if it's "good" guys or bad guys by what
they say or what they wear - certainly not in the heat of
the moment - then your only choices are to be a sheep and
therefore responsible for the death of your family if it
*is* a criminal home invasion, or to resist with sufficient
force to protect your family.

Funny you say that. The other day I was watching a YouTube of two guys
on a homeowner's security cam at his front door wearing ski masks with
'FBI' jackets trying to jimmy, then try to kick in his door. When that failed
they started tearing off a screen off a window next to the door.

Home owner fired a few shots and you can see the two running off like hell!!

42 posted on 08/06/2012 11:21:29 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain)
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To: QT3.14
two guys . . . wearing ski masks with 'FBI' jackets trying to . . . kick in his door.

I think it's both interesting (in a horrifying way) and criminal that there was not even a search warrant on the premises when the raid on the Branch Davidian compound began. There is no indication that the cultists would have refused to honor the search warrant, and in fact no contraband weapons (the claimed reason for the invasion) were found after the fire.

If a responsible agent would have walked up to the front door and knocked, a lot of lives would have been saved. If the agents were truly afraid they would be shot through the door, then they could have used a bullhorn from behind their car to 'serve' the warrant - or at least to announce that they had one.

On the other hand, when armed assailants who are clearly acting in an unConstitutional manner with no attempt to serve a warrant start kicking in doors or shooting at me . . .

I think Koresh et. al. were doing some bad things to the kids in that compound, and I think it was wrong to continue the standoff once the 'siege' began and the agents were properly and unambiguously identified. But the initial assault was nothing less than a criminal attack under the color of law.

And shooting Randy Weaver's wife (at Ruby Ridge) when she had a baby in her arms is flat out murder . . . in another case where no search or arrest warrant were ever announced to those under attack.

There are a lot of people in these discussions who say tough things about what they would do if the government ever came for their weapons. I pray to God that I will never have to face that decision. But one step to keep that from happening is to hold the government accountable when government agents violate the Constitution.
95 posted on 08/07/2012 6:25:08 AM PDT by Phlyer
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