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So the State can order the death of this boy, despite the parents' wishes.
1 posted on 08/13/2012 3:43:18 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

> So the State can order the death of this boy, despite the
> parents’ wishes.

Romney-care at work in Massachusetts.

It will be even worse under 0bama-care, if you can imagine it.


2 posted on 08/13/2012 3:55:30 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: markomalley

Bump


3 posted on 08/13/2012 4:16:14 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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4 posted on 08/13/2012 4:24:29 AM PDT by TheSarce (Reject Socialism. Champion Liberty.)
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To: markomalley

This happened in London under their government-run health care.

It sounds like there is nothing wrong with the boy’s brain. That he probably just needs time for his lungs to heal.


5 posted on 08/13/2012 4:46:15 AM PDT by FR_addict
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Liverpool Care Pathway for an 8 year old boy. We are in sooooo much trouble if Obama is reelected. I can see this just happening because you are a Republican.
7 posted on 08/13/2012 5:22:41 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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8 posted on 08/13/2012 5:31:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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But the judge said that “with a heavy heart” he had to agree to the hospital’s request to withdraw life-sustaining treatment as doctors and nurses agreed that all further interventions would be futile. Weighing up the benefits and burdens of keeping the boy alive . . . ."

So that's how it works now with government healthcare. A judge weighs the benefits and burdens of keeping someone alive.

9 posted on 08/13/2012 5:32:36 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: markomalley

When the government pays the medical bills, they can decide when you are too expensive to keep alive. And the ungodly media crucified Sarah Palin for correctly pointing out that this will happen under ObamaCare as well.


10 posted on 08/13/2012 5:43:48 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: markomalley

THIS illustrates what is ment by the term ‘Death Panels’ used when discussing ObamaCare/Socialized Medicine.


13 posted on 08/13/2012 6:15:48 AM PDT by Ed Story
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Shades of Schiavo?


14 posted on 08/13/2012 6:23:36 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: markomalley

I guess this boy didn’t quite “pencil out”.


16 posted on 08/13/2012 6:26:40 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: markomalley

And there is the problem with Government Run Healthcare, otherwise known as the NHS, Obamacare or RomneyCare. The government officials can make a cost benefit analysis on one’s treatment and decide to stop treatment and cause a person to die.

However, at least for now, we are lucky to have a system of Private Insurance Companies none of which would ever make a cost benefit analysis on someone’s medical treatment and decide to stop treatment and cause a person to die.


24 posted on 08/13/2012 8:55:56 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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Sometimes everything that can be done has been done. High
freq ventilation is not a long term solution,it is maximum
support. And ECMO is similar to being on heart-lung bypass
as during openheart surgery(which folks are on for a couple of hours). A month of it is longer than i’ve ever heard of. If you read the story, the little guy was born early, had corrective heart surgery and a subsequent surgery did not go well. Life is fragile. Not everything can be fixed all
the time.

He has received extremely intensive,maxed out life support and surgeries,based on the article. The reason we are hearing about this is that most parents agree to discontinue treatment when the time comes,and sounds like
his are not.


26 posted on 08/13/2012 1:35:25 PM PDT by americas.best.days...
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Outside of neonates, few patients ever recover from extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, and the longer it's used the less likely that recovery becomes. This isn't your typical life support, but full-on lung and heart life support. Apparently he was on it a full month before litigation even began, so there is really no hope here.

As far as a miracle from God is concerned I'll paraphrase from the pastor of the last church I attended: I don't want to impugn divine intervention, but there hasn't been a soul on earth that God hasn't called home. We pray for healing miracles because we want God to operate on our time table, not his.

38 posted on 08/18/2012 4:09:07 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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But the judge said that “with a heavy heart” he had to agree to the hospital’s request to withdraw life-sustaining treatment as doctors and nurses agreed that all further interventions would be futile.

Given the circumstances I've had to go through the last week, I think I'm uniquely qualified to speak to this specific point.

My first brother who is 7 years younger than I suffered a massive brain aneurysm last Friday, August 10th. When the Paramedics arrived, he was not breathing and barely had a pulse. Somehow - miraculously - they managed to revive him and get him to the hospital.

The first hospital they took him to had no trauma facilities, so he was taken to a second hospital which had them. The second miracle was that he survived the trip(s) to the two hospitals.

By the time I arrived at the second hospital, approximately 90 minutes after his aneurysm he'd already received a second cat scan and two neurologists on duty read both of them.

My brother was literally dead by the time he hit the floor in his home. Both neurologists told us it was a miracle he was able to be revived at all. His aneurysm was in the worst place possible, deep inside his brain stem, where it meets the brain. Inoperable. By 4 pm last Friday afternoon we were given the news he would not survive, the aneurysm was still bleeding and choking off the blood supply to his brain.

As I, my sister and my youngest brother spoke with the doctors, they were very clear in telling us that very few survived his type of aneurysm, and what they expected would happen overnight to him as his brain's blood supply was choked off and eventually stopped.

I was with my brother when his reflexes shut down, and he stopped breathing on his own. All testing the doctors did showed that his brain had stopped functioning, and the only thing keeping him "going" was the ventilator and the drugs they used to keep his heart going.

He was no longer able to sustain himself in any way. His body temperature dropped on its own and the time came when the doctor's declared him deceased. The doctors did everything they could to save him, of that I'm convinced because I was there.

My brother was laid to rest on Thursday.

Now how is this relevant to this specific case? Simple. If the boy's heart is beating on it's own with no medical assistance and his reflexes are still functioning (ie: prick his hand with a needle and he reflexes on his own) then he is still alive and there is still hope.

If the doctors in this case were to prove death, there are a series of tests that are performed three times, six hours apart over a twenty-four hour period that confirm death. I've seen doctors perform these tests. If they haven't been performed on this young boy then they need to be to confirm whether he is alive and still "in there" or if he's dead. Any positive response to those tests would indicate hope for this young boy.

God bless these parents, please keep them and their son from all harm Lord, and above all else, Your will, Your way, Your time.

43 posted on 08/18/2012 6:06:06 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: markomalley

You convinced the judges that it should be ok to let the doctors help you kill your child while it was still inside your body.

Now you find it offensive that they say your doctors can kill your child for his own (the greater) good?

That slope was slippery from the first step!


50 posted on 08/18/2012 7:55:17 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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At first I thought maybe this boy was brain dead, but after reading the whole article, that isn’t the case.

It’s one thing to declare brain death - entirely another thing to predict someone’s demise before they actually get there.


52 posted on 08/18/2012 8:01:57 AM PDT by Scotswife
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