Posted on 08/17/2012 4:09:51 AM PDT by from occupied ga
I’m confused. Is mauling by pit bull more or less rare than getting pregnant by being raped?
I have a hard time believing PBT-types are more populous (.033) than Rottweilers (.003??? serious?) and spitz-types (.02). Even though it is a type covering many breeds and not just 1.
You might need adjustment to that. Of course, having PBTs and Presas up there in the list in not shocking, even if they don’t make #1.
>I worry about the trend now to rescue every dog. Some are not suitable pets (not because of their breed but because of temperament, period).<
AKRON, Ohio - A 3-year-old boy was taken to the hospital after he was bitten by a dog at an animal shelter in Akron Wednesday.
The incident happened at about 3:35 p.m. at the Summit County Animal Shelter on Opportunity Parkway.
According to the police report, a woman from Barberton, her three children and her boyfriend went there to find a dog to adopt. Once they found one they liked, they took the dog outside to a pen to play with it for about 15 minutes.
As the group finished up with the dog, the report said an employee at the shelter put the dog on a leash and the boyfriend picked up the toddler.
The group started walking inside when the dog apparently lunged at the boy and bit his right leg, causing two gashes.
An ambulance was called to the shelter and paramedics treated the boy before his mother took him to the hospital.
There’s no word yet how seriously the boy was hurt or what kind of dog was involved.
You must be since you appear to have wandered on to the wrong thread. What does that have to do with anything on this thread? But to answer your question, dog maulings that require ER treatment are far more common.
The stats came from www.dogsbite.org. I'm not going to challenge them because I don't know. I do know that the CDC keeps bite statistics, but doesn't make any representation as to the numbers of breeds in the pet population. If you can find the stats for breed distribution in the population of US pets you can merge it with the CDC data and voila you can work out your own table. This is getting too much like work for me to want to do that.
Thanks but you’re not where I get my dog buying advice. :) If I were looking for another dog I would do my research but I would be looking at breeders, particular lines and how the puppies were raised. Not simply some statistics from the internet. Of course, I have not owned a dog that I didn’t breed myself in a lot years.
“You should be smart enough to realize that when one of these dogs ends up as an adoption, odds are if it’s a shepherd, dobe, presa, pit bull, rotty, it is there because it has bitten someone. That’s just a fact of life. “
and
“A large number have been mistreated, and that is why they are that way. “
So which is it?
Also, many dogs can only be in one dog families. Yes, I have rescued shepherds. At this point I work mostly with pits. IMO the problem with dog training is the current methodologies (much like the leftist views on child rearing and affirmative action). I am a Koehler trainer.
Are dogs and children the same? No. Dogs have a much greater potential to recover from abuse. Children in abusive family situations are often irreparably damaged. That is a terrible tragedy.
I work mostly with pit rescue. In addition to wasting precious resources, a bad pit only adds to the stereotype and makes future adoptions harder.
Sadly, bad dogs give them all a bad rap.
I think the biting and being mistreated go together, so which is it? I think both. My point, is that early socialization has a big effect on working type dogs, big enough that the people I know selling dogs to police,military, SAR, etc are told how they want them socialized before they pick them up, often right down to the exact number of days of age at the time they are removed from the mother, usually 45 days. If it is that important to them, they obviously believe it can only be fixed to a degree.
I agree that many need to be one dog families, haven’t seen anyone have a lot of luck ‘curing’ dog aggression. Koehler type training works better with some breeds than others, I haven’t read up on it a lot, as it is considered old fashioned, as it relies more on compulsion and corrections, which works. The malinois and dutchies respond better to the modern styles because their prey drive is LOTS stronger, as a rule. Any good trainer uses a mix, but often wants the dog owners to think they use no compulsion/corrections, because that’s what they want to hear. I’m sure you are familiar with that. I have no experience with pits, so don’[t know how they are handled, mine is with GSD, mali, dutch shepherds mostly.
As you know most of the leftist child rearing techniques were created by sociologists with no kids! I raised my kids pretty much the same way I train dogs and cutting horses, both turned out well. Of course mine were socialized well as kids and still have mom and dad together, which is probably the most important thing.
My rescue shepherd was a handful, she never became trusting (except me) but she loved kids and was trustworthy with them. Adults, not at all. She was a one-man dog, period. We’re closer to the same way of thinking than you may think, IMO.
“I am a Koehler trainer.”
Boy, is that a breath of fresh air.
So am I! (But I’m only a pet person with limited experience.)
:-)
I wasn't offering you advice. It is a matter of supernatural indifference to me if you keep a dozen cobras and a pack of wolves in your house. I'm just putting out the facts for those (few and far between on this thread) who are interested in facts.
I train however works. I started using Koehler and while I successfully put a CD on my first dog (a golden) she wasn’t a very happy worker. I ended up doing Ian Dunbar’s method with a generous sprinkling of the Monks of New Skete and later, as time went on just sort of compiled my own method which includes a lot of different things. I like to think about how the dog thinks.
But you simply cannot only use positive training methods because at some point the dog will simply say, “nope, I think I’m tired of doing what you want and there is something over there that is more fun.” At that point you MUST have some way of conveying to them that even when they aren’t really interested in doing what you want it’s still better to do it. I have not trained for other people in a very long time, but I still read a little online and it seems that everyone just wants to be their dog’s friend (much like parents want to just be their kid’s friend). And when I walk my dog I see all of these 10 lb doodle mixes walking their owners around (the dog dictates if they stop and bark at me while the owner stands their and says, “Brittni, no no” helplessly, and I think, “Sheesh, you outweigh, the dog, just keep walking.” But I mind my own business. My golden ignores them and we keep walking.
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