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More Fluctuations Found in Isotopic Clocks
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 8-17-2012 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 08/17/2012 11:21:22 AM PDT by fishtank

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1 posted on 08/17/2012 11:21:33 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

So does that mean Mick Jagger is even older than we thought?


2 posted on 08/17/2012 11:31:53 AM PDT by Forrestfire (("To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." Theodore Roosevelt))
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To: fishtank
New system could predict solar flares, give advance warning


3 posted on 08/17/2012 11:33:20 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank; MrB

:: More Fluctuations Found in Isotopic Clocks ::

Fluck you Amellicans, too!


4 posted on 08/17/2012 11:33:55 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: fishtank

This will take some research on my part.

BTW, Go Boilers!


5 posted on 08/17/2012 11:37:06 AM PDT by 103198
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To: fishtank
Looks like there's some BIG grant money on the way.

That means ALL RESULTS....absolutely ALL RESULTS....are worthless.

Now let's talk about global warming...

6 posted on 08/17/2012 11:37:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Forrestfire
It just means that Mick Jagger was never as young as he acted.

haha


7 posted on 08/17/2012 11:39:16 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I am convinced that a creationist view of the universe is FAR FAR FAR more interesting for science (and science funding) than is the materialist view.


8 posted on 08/17/2012 11:41:32 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

You remembered that was one of my fav jokes...


9 posted on 08/17/2012 11:43:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: fishtank

Doesn’t matter if dating is a few percent off. The world is not 6,000 or so years old.


10 posted on 08/17/2012 11:43:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: fishtank

Creationism is useless to science. There is a reason why companies who want profit hire scientists not creationists. Because science is useful.


11 posted on 08/17/2012 11:45:43 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: fishtank

“science” is repeatable.

Making conjectures about the past is not “science”, inherently, because time only flows one way.


12 posted on 08/17/2012 11:46:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: fishtank
Physics Today editor Johanna Miller recently wrote, "Standard Pb-Pb dating protocol uses a 238U/235U ratio of 137.88 with zero uncertainty. But several recent studies have cast doubt on that number."

No support there for a young (~6000 year) earth:

"Now, in a systematic, high-precision study, Joe Hiess and colleagues of the British Geological Survey have found not only the highest 238U/235U anomalies yet seen (more than 5 parts per thousand) but also a mean 238U/235U ratio almost 0.5 ppt less than the established value. As a result, lead–lead dates could be wrong by a million years or more. A lesser-used isotopic chronometer, based on samarium-146’s decay into neodymium-142, could be in for an even bigger revision: Michael Paul (Hebrew University, Jerusalem) and collaborators have measured the 146Sm half-life to be 68 million years, 34% less than the currently used value of 103 million years. The discrepancy is not fully understood, but if the new value stands, it would mean that Earth’s mantle underwent differentiation much faster than previously thought. (J. Hiess et al., Science 335, 1610, 2012; N. Kinoshita et al., Science 335, 1614, 2012.) —Johanna Miller" (emphasis added) http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/physics_update/time_to_reset_isotopic_clocks

13 posted on 08/17/2012 11:53:26 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: MrB

“Making conjectures about the past is not “science”,”

.....

.... the definition of evolutionary theory.


14 posted on 08/17/2012 12:13:32 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: allmendream
Creationism is useless to science.

Actually, Creationism, the foundational belief in a rational Creator, was the foundation of science. (You'll answer "no it's not!", but oh well)

Those cultures (Chinese, Muslims) which didn't have this foundational belief gave up on scientific advancements as futile because they had no expectation of consistency or rationality in nature.

A little reading would broaden your understanding, but, I know, you're married to evolution for some reason.

15 posted on 08/17/2012 12:23:08 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: fishtank
Scientists typically use this method to age-date carbon-containing objects thought to be only tens of thousands of years old. The relevant radioactive carbon isotope (14C) decays so fast that it should no longer exist in earth materials that are a million or more years old.

These two side-by-side statements, alone, suffice to seriously degrade this article's credibility in my eyes. In fact, I'd say that the article is deliberately trying to misrepresent the facts and thus awaken doubts.

From the very beginning, Willard F. Libby (who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for his efforts) understood that the C-14 had to be (more or less) constantly formed (in the upper atmosphere, by cosmic ray bombardment of Nitrogen).

Regards,

16 posted on 08/17/2012 12:49:28 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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0.499 Life.


17 posted on 08/17/2012 1:02:59 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: MrB

Belief that the universe obeys laws is aided by belief in a law giver, certainly. But science can only use those rational physical laws. It cannot use a priori insistence upon a particular time table as interpreted through revealed wisdom. Creationism is useless for making accurate predictions. Science is of tremendous use. Creationists oppose not just evolution, but also geology, physics, paleontology, astronomy and any other branch of science that refuses to stick with their useless precepts.


18 posted on 08/17/2012 1:21:37 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

You insist on saying that, but it’s simply not true.
It must be something you HAVE to convince yourself of for some reason.


19 posted on 08/17/2012 1:28:16 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Forrestfire

“So does that mean Mick Jagger is even older than we thought?”

Negatory....it means Mick and the universe is much younger than they look!


20 posted on 08/17/2012 1:32:12 PM PDT by Puckster
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