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To: hosepipe

Well not exactly but then don’t all scientists [ and other researchers ] often each end up with their own unique yet constantly changing [or evolving if one must] worldview?

- so c’est la vie [that’s life] - or to each his own.

But I do find it interesting how often the freeper evos here willingly defend evolution and Darwin yet show little consideration or understanding of opposing yet highly regarded scientific discoveries...

1) What Einstein has added to the worldview equations regarding time paradoxes and the elusive true age and shape of the universe.

and

2) What Shannon has contributed with information theory [in regards to a Higher Power ] requiring an intelligent being to author codes, languages and embedded [or innate] functions.

In my 25 years of computer coding I’ve probably not written more than a million LOC ~ Lines of Code [ with far more errors and modifications to I care to admit ] so I ask you?

How much higher an intelligence than mankind is required to write all the DNA code found in every type of living organism where the smallest is still approx 500 million LOC, human beings roughly 3 billion LOC, and the largest genomes [see marbled lungfish & paris japonica in link below] upto 50 times larger yet? If recorded in books [of approx an inch and a half thick] each of the 3 stacks above would be 100 ft, 600 ft and 30,000 feet high respectively.

http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/white-flower-has-worlds-longest-genome


125 posted on 08/20/2012 5:43:23 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: hosepipe

Better yet consider what Dr Walt Brown wrote in section 33 of part I of his online book...

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html

33. Genetic Information

Information never self-assembles. The genetic information in the DNA of each human cell is roughly equivalent to a library of 4,000 books. Even if matter and life (perhaps a bacterium) somehow arose, the probability that mutations and natural selection produced this vast amount of information is essentially zero. It would be analogous to continuing the following procedure until 4,000 books were produced:

a. Start with a meaningful phrase.

b. Retype it, but make some errors and insert a few letters.

c. See if the new phrase is meaningful.

d. If it is, replace the original phrase with it.

e. Return to step “b.”

To produce just the enzymes in one organism would require more than 10^40,000 trials. (To begin to understand how large 10^40,000 is, realize that the visible universe has fewer than 10^80 atoms in it.)

In 1972, evolutionists, out of ignorance, began referring to large segments of DNA as “junk” DNA, because that DNA supposedly had no purpose and was left over from our evolutionary past. What evolutionists called “junk” DNA is now known to produce microRNA which is vital for each organism’s health and also controls to a large extent the production of proteins. Cancers (lung, breast, stomach, prostate, colon, pancreatic, and brain) are frequently a result of damaged microRNA.

Based on all known experience—scientific or otherwise—information only comes from intelligence. Vast amounts of information require a vast intelligence.

The Elephant in the Living Room

Writer George V. Caylor interviewed Sam, a molecular biologist. George asked Sam about his work. Sam said he and his team were scientific “detectives,” working with DNA and tracking down the cause of disease. Here is their published conversation.

G: “Sounds like pretty complicated work.”

S: “You can’t imagine how complicated!”

G: “Try me.”

S: “I’m a bit like an editor, trying to find a spelling mistake inside a document larger than four complete sets of Encyclopedia Britannica. Seventy volumes, thousands and thousands of pages of small print words.”

G: “With the computer power, you can just use ‘spell check’!”

S: “There is no ‘spell check’ because we don’t know yet how the words are supposed to be spelled. We don’t even know for sure which language. And it’s not just the ‘spelling error’ we’re looking for. If any of the punctuation is out of place, or a space out of place, or a grammatical error, we have a mutation that will cause a disease.”

G: “So how do you do it?”

S: “We are learning as we go. We have already ‘read’ over two articles in that encyclopedia, and located some ‘typo’s’. It should get easier as time goes by.”

G: “How did all that information happen to get there?”

S: “Do you mean, did it just happen? Did it evolve?”

G: “Bingo. Do you believe that the information evolved?”

S: “George, nobody I know in my profession truly believes it evolved. It was engineered by ‘genius beyond genius,’ and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book. Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise. A bit like Neil Armstrong believing the moon is made of green cheese. He’s been there!”

G: “Have you ever stated that in a public lecture, or in any public writings?”

S: “No. It all just evolved.”

G: “What? You just told me — ?”

S: “Just stop right there. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold on to two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don’t believe in evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures—everything would stop. I’d be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn’t earn a decent living.”

G: “I hate to say it, Sam, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.”

S: “The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankind’s worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the ‘elephant in the living room’.”

G: “What elephant?”

S: “Design. It’s like the elephant in the living room. It moves around, takes up an enormous amount of space, loudly trumpets, bumps into us, knocks things over, eats a ton of hay, and smells like an elephant. And yet we have to swear it isn’t there!”

George V. Caylor, “The Biologist,” The Ledger, Vol. 2, Issue 48, No. 92, 1 December 2000, p. 2. (www.ontherightside.com) Printed with permission.


126 posted on 08/20/2012 6:05:40 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; YHAOS; Whosoever

[ In my 25 years of computer coding I’ve probably not written more than a million LOC ~ Lines of Code [ with far more errors and modifications to I care to admit ] so I ask you? ]

I became a programmer in 1968 and served for 20 years then served for at least 15 more years as a “Cat Herd”..
You know.. managing programmers(Systems Analyst).. because thats exactly like herding cats..

Now I’m a humble fisherman much too dumb for this conversation...
I fooled AG and BB for years as a smarty pants now I think their on to me...
A little support would be appreciated..


133 posted on 08/20/2012 11:19:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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