Posted on 08/18/2012 2:50:53 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
About time! I understand that certain foreign designed and manufactured weapons systems are used by our military but like the .50 caliber, the .45 is a true American original. It’s not called ‘’Man Stopper’’ for nothing.
Obama took a pair of Colt .45 pistols? Are there photos or a press release to go along with that?
In science, it is closer to 1.304 Gazillions.
If he’s using his supporting hand in a two hand hold, he’s by definition, altering his grip.
I was joking. Shot placement is far more important than the ballistic differences between a 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45ACP.
The only case where the .45 has a distinct advantage in effectiveness over a 9mm is when both loads are FMJ “hardball”.
There are those who feel their .45 is the ultimate manstopper, and the 9mm is a weak joke that only a fool would use.
The Strasbourg tests and compiled gunfight data tend to show that higher velocity rounds with hollowpoints that fully expand and transfer the entire energy of the bullet into the body make the more effective loads.
I’m not knocking those who choose to use a .45. My point is that if terminal effectiveness is the overriding factor in choosing a handgun caliber, one should use a full power .357 magnum or 10mm load.
The .44 magnum will tend to over-penetrate on human targets and waste some of its energy. That same logic could be used to justify picking a .40 caliber over a 10mm as well.
“I’ll keep my origional military issue 1911 thank you!!!”
There is nothing wrong with that, just don’t bet your life on it feeding hollowpoints, especially the truncated cone types unless the mouth of the chamber has been throated.
Speer used to make a 200 grain .45 ACP load called the “flying ashtray”. It maintained the ogive profile of the original FMJ ball ammo bullet the 1911 was designed to use. It is the only hollowpoint load I would trust in an original mil-spec 1911.
Personally, I would prefer a Ruger P90, a S&W 4506, or a Sig P220 for maximum feed reliability in a .45 auto handgun.
What a waste of superb hardware on that POS!
That’s going to be a BIG problem in a SHTF situation, Clint. Big “IF”, I know, but nonetheless. Although the FN is a nice piece, I’d re-think that specific purchase. A Kimber has no such problems.
If you treat it timidly and let the recoil push you around it will jam. The energy of the recoil( and there is lot comparatively speaking) has to be transmitted back to the weapon by the shooter. Revolvers do not have this issue. In a combat situation if you let your weapon jam you will be dead. Combat requires no finesse at all.
There are better weapons(cheaper ammo) than the .45 for plinking paper targets with one eye shut trying to group.
Having said that you can pry my M1911 from my cold dead hands,
Hand salute.
In a SHTF situation I have 9 calibers covered, not counting gauges. Perhaps not in the depth you do but should rationing be a problem I’m diversified. I was thinking the 5.7 would add the 10th piece of the puzzle since it’s NATO it may be the only thing available if or when the SHTF. And it sure looks fun to shoot at Pistol League not to mention the WOW factor there ;o)
I know the “sting” of the bullet friend. I know exactly what they feel like when they enter the body, and exit it. I don’t need you too suggest the ouch. I can tell you it is a heck of a lot more than that.
At the State Museum in downtown Columbia there was the annual Toy Soldiers expo. It had a mix of reenactment stuff and toys/models.
It rained this one but a lot of what reenactment people that were stayed on when the museum offered them space in the big lobby and hallway.
One of the groups had this BAR. I admit when I first saw it sitting on the floor in what light there was, the finish looked almost plastic.
Here is some of it in slightly better light plus other mundane things......
In addition to getting high on drugs before attacking the US troops, the Moros would also wrap multiple layers of vines around their torsos, which helped slow or stop bullets and bayonets.
Then-lieutenant Fuller was rushed by a vine-wrapped Moro who was wielding a machete. His first five rounds failed to stop the Moro, who slashed him across the body, from right shoulder to left hip, with his machete. As he was going down, Fuller managed to put his last round into his attacker's throat, killing him and saving his own life.
Patton was quite a man. We lost him far too soon.
Fallout New Vegas Ping!
That’s a good, solid line-of-reasoning, Clint. Even if it’s NATO, it would still concern me that the ammo’s not so widely-available and so expensive, but maybe that will flatten-out and resolve itself with more time. Yet, if SHTF next Friday, it’d still be the scarcity/cost problem it’s been for past 2-3yrs. I’m wondering why the caliber hasn’t been more widely adopted. The same issue still surrounds the .357sig hardware and round, after 7-8yrs on-the-market; my G32 is still the “red-headed, step-child” in the massive Cannon T-54 dbl door gunsafe. I do have 10,000-rnds (Cor-Bon 125gr HP) for it, though, and got it cheap ($13/100) in a bulk co-op buy, 9yrs ago. It’s 8x ($122/100) the cost, now.d still be the scarcity/cost problem it
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