Posted on 08/20/2012 2:57:24 PM PDT by AstralisLux
Maybe you should examine the conditions in which a physician can insert an IHDNR before you start jumping to conclusions? I realize it’s not nearly as fun as shooting from the hip but...
Is it an actionable item?
The Texas Right to Life spokesperson in the video is the same one on their website.
The hospital obviously states he’s made no improvement. They want him dead and gone. They’ve been saying he’ll never live — that’s the point of the story. This is a decision the family needs to make, not a doctor.
The article says they wanted his organs before he improved and started to breathe on his own.
What is this? Mouth off without the facts day? What freakin' shareholders would these be? Cook Children’s Health Care System is a not-for-profit, nationally recognized pediatric health care organization comprised of eight entities – a Medical Center, Physician Network, Home Health company, Northeast Hospital, Pediatric Surgery Center, Health Plan, Health Services Inc., and Health Foundation.
You might want to check that - entirely aside from the lack of names, IHDNRs are not that easy to ‘slip in’. Not even in Texas.
The TRL doesn’t have this on their web site. Please provide a citation from TRL.
It’s very easy and happens all the time:
http://www.texasrighttolife.com/a/886/Defeating-death-panel-rhetoric
Looks to me like the doctor jumped the gun and denied life sustaining treatment too early in an attempt to cover a bad medical diagnosis.
Why would they cite it? I don’t know if they post all these cases. Apparently they do not.
But the spokesperson in the video is the same one that appears in other videos on TRL’s website. I checked.
Take a look at the video in the article and then see the same person in TRL’s video:
http://www.texasrighttolife.com/a/922/Watch-Election-fraud-in-Texas
I am skeptical. First, because this is not a “news source”. It is some blog-like internet entity.
Second, because this story did get news play. The boy was shot, and there was a big rally for him. But there is nothing in the same news outlets about the hospital denying treatment. While i could theorize news organizations ignoring a story, it is rare for them to run stories about things like this, and then fail to follow up when things change.
I’ve read articles from several different days after the shooting, and they are all positive articles about the boy’s progress, and none of them mention any requests to terminate the boy. It seems highly unlikely they this is happening and none of the news outlets who have been following the story would mention it, and not even in the COMMENTS of those news articles are people who claim to know the family mentioning it.
There are other oddities. their two boys, 8 and 12, were in the back of a car with “family members” when a drug deal went bad. The 8-year-old is under CPS control, although he is now living with other “family members”. Why not with the parents? I don’t trust CPS, but there is something going on here.
And this entire “article” is written from the statements made by the parents. I know it is written to look like reporting, but if you read it carefully, you see that everything told to you is from something the parents said, either to the reporter, or to friends who then talked to the reporter.
So we just don’t know if any of the story is true or not. It could all be true, or some could be true.
Given that they had a rally for the boy, you’d think that if he was about to be executed, that would end up in a real news outlet.
Shooting from the hip, huh?
Well, according to the article, this goes beyond a physician slipping in a DNR. This child was being denied food & water. That, in my book, constitutes active euthanasia. Starving & dehydrating a human being is murder.
And as far as your comment regarding an EEG not indicating that a brain is “intact” I think you’re reading into that statement. The EEG indicates that there is brain function. An absent EEG constitutes brain death, at which time it would have been appropriate to discuss removal of “life support” and/or organ donation. So, in the sense of whether or not the brain is functioning, it is “intact”. This child not only had activity on EEG, but, as the story indicates, did not even require the assistance of mechanical ventilation after a few days.
You seem a-ok with a physician cutting the parents of a minor totally out of medical decision-making, and actively euthanizing a child.
I will pray that the scales fall from your eyes & you get some moral clarity.
A real news outlet? Like MSNBC?
Big-Country-12-year-old-who-was-shot-in-head-making-progress:
A family member of Zachary Fernandez, a 12-year-old who was shot in the head earlier this month, said he is making progress.well-wishers-pack-anson-stadium-to-pray-for-boy:
Three days after a shooting in a west Abilene neighborhood that wounded two children, 12-year-old Zach Fernandez is showing signs of improvement at Cook's Children's Medical Center in Fort Worth, while his brother, Angelo Fernadez, 8, remains in Child Protective Services custody, according to family members.OK, maybe the great-grandmother was lying. But she SAYS that the doctors told her they think Zach will "pull through". That's a lot different from this article's claim that the doctors never had hope and told them to pull the plug.
... Tommie Nix, Zach's great-grandmother, said she visited her grandson on Wednesday, and said doctors have told her family that they think Zach will "pull through."
The article says they wanted his organs before he improved and started to breathe on his own.
The article says the PARENTS SAID the hospital wanted his organs. THe great-grandmother said the doctors had hope and thought he would pull through. Those statements seem to be contradictory.
“This has been quietly going on in this country for a few decades. Remember Terry Schiavo?”
Indeed. I also remember Governor Jeb Bush and the Republican Congress harumphing to the rescue for a couple of news cycles before going back to business as usual.
You don’t know what doctor she’s talking about. There are two hospitals involved. Also, many people talk to nurses or other staff members and think they’re doctors.
“Looks to me like the doctor jumped the gun and denied life sustaining treatment too early in an attempt to cover a bad medical diagnosis.”
More likely they figure there is a lot of brain damage even if he does recover and they would rather harvest his organs.
You posted two links to stories that happened five or more days ago. One article even had comments shut off. There has been many more developments in this story as Spero News indicated. That’s the most up-to-date source of news. Contesting their news with old stories doesn’t make sense.
Well, regardless, it looks like they’re still engaging in healthcare rationing, without even the mitigation of having any semblance of democratic accountability...
“More likely they figure there is a lot of brain damage even if he does recover and they would rather harvest his organs.”
Absolutely!
Anyone can suspend a DNR in this State merely by saying “work him” or whatever.
A news outlet like a place that has reporters and checks facts and talks to principles.
Like a local news outlet. This was a pretty big story and it appeared in print and on TV stations.
Who knows? I tried several search engines, and couldn’t find ANY web references to the boy being denied medical treatment (heck, not even the spero news story is coming up on the searches, which is kind of weird).
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