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American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology Statement on Rape and Pregnancy
American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology ^

Posted on 08/23/2012 7:40:36 PM PDT by hecht

Statement on Rape and Pregnancy

August 20, 2012

Washington, DC -- Recent remarks by a member of the US House of Representatives suggesting that “women who are victims of ‘legitimate rape’ rarely get pregnant” are medically inaccurate, offensive, and dangerous.

Each year in the US, 10,000–15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies are a result of reported rape or incest. An unknown number of pregnancies resulting from rape are carried to term. There is absolutely no veracity to the claim that “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.” A woman who is raped has no control over ovulation, fertilization, or implantation of a fertilized egg (ie, pregnancy). To suggest otherwise contradicts basic biological truths.

Any person forced to submit to sexual intercourse against his or her will is the victim of rape, a heinous crime. There are no varying degrees of rape. To suggest otherwise is inaccurate and insulting and minimizes the serious physical and psychological repercussions for all victims of rape.

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (The College), a 501(c)(3) organization, is the nation’s leading group of physicians providing health care for women. As a private, voluntary, nonprofit membership organization of approximately 56,000 members, The College strongly advocates for quality health care for women, maintains the highest standards of clinical practice and continuing education of its members, promotes patient education, and increases awareness among its members and the public of the changing issues facing women’s health care. The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), a 501(c)(6) organization, is its companion organization. www.acog.org


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To: mlizzy

“And where do you get your figures of hundreds of thousands?”

Before this broke, Akin, and all Rep challengers were beating McCaskill by almost double digit numbers.
Now he trails her by 10 pts. That is at least a 15% point drop and that equates to a large number of women who were going to vote for him, but now are not.


51 posted on 08/23/2012 9:22:17 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: mlizzy

“If you think being a pro-life advocate is distorted”

There is a difference between being an advocate, and being distorted.


52 posted on 08/23/2012 9:23:59 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: WILLIALAL

That’s not true. Akin has done poorly before this too.


53 posted on 08/23/2012 9:24:48 PM PDT by PghBaldy (http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/08/22/missouri-voters-chose-akin-not-so-much/)
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To: PghBaldy

“Akin has done poorly before this too.”

Explain.


54 posted on 08/23/2012 9:25:49 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: DuncanWaring
How many from rape, how many from incest?

Exactly my question. This statement was about rape. Why'd they throw incest in there as well? And this:

Any person forced to submit to sexual intercourse against his or her will is the victim of rape, a heinous crime. There are no varying degrees of rape. To suggest otherwise is inaccurate and insulting and minimizes the serious physical and psychological repercussions for all victims of rape.

...is not a scientific statement. It is also untrue. Statutory rape is not the same as violent rape. Let's talk to our friends at Planned Parenthood about statutory rape being the same as violent rape. If that's the case, then they're not reporting a boatload of extremely serious crimes. Obviously, they recognize them as two different types of crime--except when it's politically expedient for them not to.
55 posted on 08/23/2012 9:32:24 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: WILLIALAL
There is a difference between being an advocate, and being distorted.
It's been a real slice talking abortion with you. I hope someday you change your mind and support gallant men like Akin (Huckabee, Perkins, Jindal, Santorum, etc.) for when Christ comes a knockin' it would be best if you answered your door, instead of running for the hills like a man on fire. Go, Todd, Go!
56 posted on 08/23/2012 9:34:55 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: WILLIALAL

Hundreds of thousands of female voters that where going to vote for him now will not? That seems excessive to me, after all there are only about 4 million REGISTERRED voters in MO. Of those fifty percent DON”T VOTE making around 2 million ACTIVE voters. Of those we can assume that at least 1/2 are women making around 1 million ACTIVE Women voters in MO.

Maybe, just maybe, you should dial back the hyperbole just a bit!


57 posted on 08/23/2012 9:40:39 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

“Maybe, just maybe, you should dial back the hyperbole just a bit!”

Maybe a bit, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Akin has alienated a large segment of his pre interview support, and my contention is they won’t be coming back and without their votes Akin loses.


58 posted on 08/23/2012 9:44:01 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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...a result of reported rape or incest.

Notice the wording. Reported, not confirmed.
False Rape Accusations May Be More Common Than Thought
If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources.

That's a lot of false reports.

There is absolutely no veracity to the claim that “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.” A woman who is raped has no control over ovulation, fertilization, or implantation of a fertilized egg (ie, pregnancy). To suggest otherwise contradicts basic biological truths.
A misleading statement!
Look at what was said again...

Charles Jaco:
Okay, so if an abortion can be considered in the case of, say, tubal pregnancy or something like that, what about in the case of rape? Should it be legal or not?
Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.):
Well, you know, uh, people always want to try to make that as one of those things, ‘Well, how do you – how do you slice this particularly tough sort of ethical question.’
It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

Nobody was talking about a woman "controlling" ovulation, fertilization, or implantation of a fertilized egg! They were talking about an abortion well after it was discovered the woman was pregnant.
You can't have an abortion until well after ovulation and the fertilization of an egg!

Once again...
Raised Cortisol Predicts Spontaneous Abortion
High urinary levels of the stress hormone cortisol are a marker for early pregnancy loss, US researchers have found.

Surely the ACOG isn't saying that a spontaneous abortion can't take place after fertilization are they? To suggest otherwise contradicts basic biological truths.

59 posted on 08/23/2012 9:44:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: mlizzy

“It’s been a real slice talking abortion with you”

That is the point, I was talking politics and you are advocating an abortion position and somewhere Akin got in the middle.


60 posted on 08/23/2012 9:45:42 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: mlizzy

It’s the pretenders that aren’t backing Akin.
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Exactly...

Akin couldnt possibly effect the pro-life movement...

It would take a whole lot more than 100% pro-lifer Todd Akin with his great voting record in the House for life...

The pro-life movement hasnt moved one centimeter...

Its just where it always was...

Still not overturning Roe V Wade...

Instead the pro-aborts who are pretending to be “offended” need to look at Willard who HAS attempted to destroy the pro-life movement...

Where the outrage agasinst him ???

Without a objection to Willard’s on record promise that he would never overturn Roe V Wade since he accepted it as the “law of the land” and promised that he would “protect and defend a woman;s right to have an abortion” this whole thing is moot...

Unless these abortion pushers get upset with Willard, theyre just blowing smoke...


61 posted on 08/23/2012 9:52:14 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: mlizzy

He has offended many women
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Romney campaign talking points...

Nobody know thay were suppose to be “offended” until Willard told them they had to be...

I am a victim of rape and Akin didnt “offend” me...

The one who offended me and made me feel sick to my stomach was sicko warped Willard using the crimes against me and my victimization to further his political ambitions...


62 posted on 08/23/2012 10:00:01 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: WILLIALAL
Your contention doesn't make that any more true than your statement that hundreds of thousands of his voters will now not vote for him.

Here is a fact MORE WOMEN are pro - life than Pro-Choice. More Men are Pro-Life than Pro-Choice.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314640/abortion-and-gender-gap-numbers-ramesh-ponnuru

A well thought out and expertly explained reason for Akin BY Akin about his position will move the argument BACK to the damage and poor record of O’Bumbler and McRascal. He can simply state that:

“In my zeal to protect ALL human life, I was mistaken about the fact of female anatomy. And for that I am truly sorry.

What I am NOT sorry for is my pledge to protect the unborn whenever possible. I do not believe that a child should pay for his biological fathers crime by suffering a death penalty. I believe that women who have been impregnated by a rapist should be treated with respect and love and helped physically, emotionally, spiritually and psychologically to bring that child to term, and if they chose, to give that child up for adoption. These women are true heroes for life and should be treated that way! I do not believe that the violence and trauma associated with rape is mitigated by the violence and trauma associated with an abortion

Now let's get back to the real issues that are the cause for Ms. McRascals low approval ratings.”

63 posted on 08/23/2012 10:01:58 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Instead the pro-aborts who are pretending to be “offended” need to look at Willard who HAS attempted to destroy the pro-life movement...
That's very true... and now he's tainting Ryan it seems as well..
64 posted on 08/23/2012 10:13:31 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Jim from C-Town
...I was mistaken about the fact of female anatomy.
But he wasn't mistaken. See reply 59.

The argument is being framed in a deceptive manner to make it seem as if he said something he didn't.

He never said a woman can control ovulation, fertilization, or implantation of a fertilized egg. They were talking about an abortion and you can't get an abortion, or have a spontaneous abortion, unless you're already pregnant.

And spontaneous abortion does happen and it would be in line with what he was actually saying when he continued to speak about "ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

You can't let the argument get framed into something it isn't.

65 posted on 08/23/2012 10:19:32 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
I agree with you. It is a well known medical fact that stress and trauma may prevent a women from becoming pregnant, Note I said may not WILL. What can be more stressful and traumatic than being raped?

That being said, Akin could right the ship if the Republican would stop swamping the boat and helped to bail.

66 posted on 08/23/2012 10:26:22 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town
I hate the term "spontaneous abortion". I'm much more used to miscarriage.
What a drag it is getting old.
67 posted on 08/23/2012 10:27:43 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Jim from C-Town
I agree with you.
Okay.

My contention was with what you said he should apologize about.
...I was mistaken about the fact of female anatomy.

So if you agree with me, and him by extension, then why should he apologize in the manner you stated?

68 posted on 08/23/2012 10:34:18 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Because that is what politicians do. They apologize and then restate their opinion in a ‘more enlightened’ manner.

What he said was ham handed and strangely worded. Legitimate rape sounds like he is saying that some rapes are legitimate and others are illegitimate.

Had he simply stated that : “These are the ‘Hard Cases’ that the pro-abortion movement loves to bring up. Yet,the fact is that in cases of forcible rape, pregnancy is extremely rare. Particularly if the rape is reported and the victim receives treatment at the hospital in a timely fashion. Still, it does occur. In these cases the woman should be treated with love and respect and should be aided in every way possible to bring the child to term and allow for the child to be adopted if that is what she chooses to do.

Regardless, i do not believe that a child should pay with the death penalty for the crimes of it's biological father”

This whole sordid mess was only exacerbated by the stupid over reaction by so many Republicans.

69 posted on 08/23/2012 10:45:26 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: airedale

Or it just includes all the women who told the abortion provider they were raped, when that wasn’t the cause of the pregnacy. It’s not hard to imagine why some women would say that, for example minors who needed parental consent.


70 posted on 08/23/2012 10:57:05 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Jim from C-Town
Got ya.

This whole sordid mess was only exacerbated by the stupid over reaction by so many Republicans.
I agree with that wholeheartedly.

71 posted on 08/23/2012 10:58:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’d like to know where they got those #s... “10 TO 15,000” sure seems like a SWAG...


72 posted on 08/24/2012 12:28:15 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda

<>I’d like to know where they got those #s... “10 TO 15,000” sure seems like a SWAG...<>

From telephone surveys. They are self reported not from medical/police reports and most are adolescent girls meaning statutory rape. Breakdown here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2921696/posts?page=73#58


73 posted on 08/24/2012 4:04:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: hecht

BFL


74 posted on 08/24/2012 4:16:21 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: hecht

This pretty well proves that politicians of any stripe should stop trying to educate the public about things they know nothing about. One benefit would be we could all enjoy the sounds of nature more since there would be very little political discourse going out over the airways.


75 posted on 08/24/2012 4:31:16 AM PDT by rod1 (CTLY)
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To: hecht; WILLIALAL

Since the two of you seem to want to agitate so much for dumping Akin, playing useful idiot to the MSM that blew this whole thing out of proportion, why don’t you at least try to convince FReepers of your alleged pro-life position?

I have yet to read one word from either of you that defends the position of life. Instead, we get a posting from a pro-abortion advocacy group & name calling.

So what gives? Are you both really “lifers” or are you pro-death trolls trying to covertly beat some pro-life people over the head with the words of an inarticulate politician?


76 posted on 08/24/2012 4:50:26 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

It wasn’t blown out of proportion. He made offensive statement and exposed a mythical dogma of an extreme fringe of the pro life movement that has set us back years.
A hundRed Lila Roses can not compensate for the unmasking the secretly held belief that pregnant rape victims are liars.
Of course we now see that many a knuckle dragged agrees with Akins statement, and lacks the empathy to understand why people would be offended.


77 posted on 08/24/2012 5:19:19 AM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Reagan69; MamaTexan
Given your comments here, Reagan69, I figured you could use a ping to this comment of mine at #59.

Courtesy ping, MamaTexan.

78 posted on 08/24/2012 6:09:23 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: hecht

Can anyone remember Roe- of Roe v.Wade? Seems Norma McCorvey as a lesbian who it has been reported claimed she was raped
and had no problem with the LIE as a lesbian-—yet when she grew weary of assisting in the bloody mess (abortion on demand) ...when she converted to Christianity she confessed the LIE. It seems she was Never raped—some say despite her role in Roe V.Wade. ... she may not have ever had an abortion either. And as one who was raped and sodomized by a hyphenated American back in 69 and as one who survived the years in a wasteland of drug abuse as a coping mechanism until I decided,as a Christian I had to trust God and not drugs. I resent the “progressive” argument that “rape” is only “rape “ if done to a woman.Akin to their other lie that
Hate crimes can only happen if committed against a homosexual or on eof their favored classes.


79 posted on 08/24/2012 6:21:33 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: hecht

So either we believe this “progressive” group—or the stats by another abortion rights group the Alan Guttmacher Institute back in 1987 —as quoted by Aida Torres and Jacqueline Darroch Forrest—Why do women have Abortions?—Family Planning Perspectives ,July,Aug.1988pp169-170-as cited by Robert H.Bork Slouching Towards Gomorrah pp.pp180-181 Regan Books ,1996. I cannot believe the numbers cited in this report for I recall the abortionist who helped found NARAL claim once that they made up the numbers of abortions to justify their “cause” in Roe and Doe.


80 posted on 08/24/2012 12:51:59 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: WILLIALAL

A college professor once wrote on the chalk board for us to consider in class Never assume anything it only makes an ass/of u/ and/me Ass/u/me . If there were a whole lot of women who were going to vote for him but now cannot— WHY not.He made a stupid comment and has apologized several times for it. IF the incumbent now wins we ought not blame Akin but the “progressives” who have beguiled us into believing the LIE
fostered by the evil woman Margaret Sanger back when she introduced the bloody show as a means of ridding us of what she called “human weeds” unfit for her social circle.


81 posted on 08/24/2012 1:04:33 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: StonyBurk

So I guess your saying Akin should not have apologized and should have come out swinging that he spoke the truth .


82 posted on 08/24/2012 1:09:36 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Uncle Chip

Thank you for that link.


83 posted on 08/24/2012 1:48:57 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: hecht

Aren’t we overly defensive now? I said what I said nothing more nothing less.Akin appologized more than necessary -but never enough for the culture of death-for the silly women beguiled into believing the LIES of Margaret Sanger and her NAZI followers.


84 posted on 08/24/2012 3:48:32 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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