Posted on 08/24/2012 6:43:31 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
If there are that many people determined to murder the unborn, the weak, the old, the ‘undesirables’; determined to take what isn’t rightfully theirs; what we do or don’t do to fix the economy won’t make a whit of difference either. The further we move away from God, the faster we will slide into the Abyss.
We nominated them through a GOP primary. If you don't accept the results of the primary, then join another party. O'Donnell finished off the political career of a RINO--an accomplishment all by itself. She also helped shake up the Rep establishment in Delaware. Ask fellow FReeper Fishtalk about Delaware politics and that race in particular, something she was deeply involved in.
Angle was a good conservative candidate. The RNC helped torpedo her by withholding funds. And with the heavy SEIU involvement, I have no doubt that there was widespread voter fraud. Harry Reid would more than likely beat any candidate the GOP put up under those circumstances.
Calling O'Donnell and Angle "clown candidates" reveals more about you than them. They got in the arena and put themselves before the voters. They won their primaries the old fashioned way--they got more votes than their opponents. So blame the voters for their nomination.
Absolutely nothing they passed in the House can even get a vote in the Senate. That very kind of "preferring a loss" mentality may mean the Tea Party caucus can never actually accomplish anything. Simply having an (R) Senate Majority Leader makes all the difference in the world. It means we could have gotten votes on our House passed bills. Even if crapweasel Castle and electable candidates from Nevada and Colorado voted no on much of it, we would have still been getting votes, passing some stuff and forcing Hussein to veto popular bills.
A lot of ifs and buts. Obama could still had the veto and it couldn't be overturned. Bush had control of both Houses and still couldn't turn things around. He passed the biggest expansion of Medicare, the prescription drug program that represents an unfunded liability of $7.3 trillion; he signed McCain-Feingold rather than vetoing it; he doubled the Department of Education with "No child left behind;" he added $5 trillion to the national debt doubling it from $5 trillion to $10 trillion; and he tried to push an amnesty down our throats first with Hagel-Martinez (which passed the Rep controlled Senate), and then McCain-Kennedy. The bottom line is that having a majority is not in and of itself enough. You have to have the right people with Rs after their name to change things. We need to win votes on issues, not just vote on them and see them go down the rat hole.
Like I said, you have to weigh each case individually. The goal for rational people who live in the world of political reality is to nominate the most conservative candidate who CAN win. There is no point in nominating people that haven't got a chance. O'Donnell not only didn't have a chance, she was a national joke and made the very conservative activists that were supporting her look ridiculous.
I am active in the Tea Party movement and GOP politics. I understand political reality, especially living in Northern VA, which has been transformed into a Dem bastion over the past 30 years I have been living here. 33% of the residents of Fairfax County, the largest county in the state, are foreign born. They along with the Beltway bandits and crony capitalists have made the area the richest in the country and more and more Democrat. For the first time in the history of VA and Fairfax County, we will have the ballot in two languages, Spanish and English. Kerry was the first Dem since 1964 to win Fairfax County.
In order for Romney to win in VA, he will have to at least break even in NoVA. That will be no easy task. The Dems are better organized and funded. They have been registering new people almost since the day Obama was sworn in. It is going to be a very tight race. I am working with an outside conservative group (the GOP is hopeless) to identify and get out Rep voters. Romney and Allen are going to have a very hard time carrying VA. In another 10 years, I think VA will be a blue state. That is political reality my friend. Demography is destiny.
Once he blew up his campaign and turned himself into a liability for the GOP, conservative movement and the pro-life cause it was time for him to step aside. Again, the seat is vastly more important than Akin's politicians ego or bruised feelings.
The GOP poured gasoline on to the fire. They were on a seek and destroy mission from the very start. Sunday Akin made his verbal gaffe and by Monday the hammers of hell were upon him from the GOP and the conservative media. There was absolutely no attempt to salvage his candidacy. This is the reason I strongly believe the Rep Establishment saw this as a way to get someone to replace Akin who was more acceptable ideologically.
They made a huge gamble and it has backfired on them. So far, Akin has dug in his heels and essentially told the GOP hierarchy "Go f**k yourself." I would have felt the same way. My own party didn't stand by me and to make matters worse, they did it all very publicly to humiliate me. At least concede that the GOP handled this very badly. Praise in public, criticize in private. They could have developed some sort of face-saving scenario for Akin at the very least. You don't do this to a good and decent man. It is the lack of fairness that angers me the most.
The GOP has elevated the level of Akin's liabilty. They have raised the stakes in a meat cleaver approach to push him out of the race. I hope Akin stands his ground. Let the chips fall where they may.
Well said. Newt showed us how to handle the MSM in the debates. Go on the attack and confront them over their bias. If the GOP had supported Akin over this tempest in a tea pot, the political damage would have been far less. Apology given, words clarified, now lets move on.
Right - so lets stick this with nut destined to lose and hand the election back to Obama and Claire right?
The psychosis of the ABR’s has translated into this now.
You now realize that we will be tarred as wackos with the rest of these nut jobs by the general population.
it’s heard being continuously depicted by the MSM as hatful , intolerant , wife eaters that reject science. if my daughter got raped I’d get her get treated ASAP and hopefully she would not conceive.
but I now see that there is a small subset of intolerant wackos who have set the narrative for all of us.
Right - so lets stick this with nut destined to lose and hand the election back to Obama and Claire right?
The psychosis of the ABR’s has translated into this now.
If I can throw in my two cents’ worth. I’m pretty much always black and white on most issues. However on this I offer a couple of different perspectives. On the one hand as far as tactics and strategy go there’s no question Akin should leave.
He absolutely makes it harder if not downright impossible to win this Senate seat absent another game-changing event as well as making it more difficult for Romney in the state.
I think one angle I’ve seen but has been underplayed is let’s pretend he somehow wins — I don’t think Congressman Akin is prepared to be a U.S. Senator. He seems to show a lack of political awareness that may not serve him well if he ever needed it whatever his past voting record may be.
For these reasons he should withdraw and let one more able to win and/or govern (my personal view is that a woman would be a much more viable choice at this point such as Steelman or Wagner).
With all this said I agree with others on here that with all the many, many, many weaknesses, gaffes and general weak record of most Democrats if we can’t win the Senate and Presidency in spite of this one mistake we don’t deserve to win. As much as all want to view this one mistake as destroying all Republican efforts, the Dems have supposedly according to our side [which I agree] had several of these (give me space, private sector’s doing fine, you didn’t build it, put y’all in chains, DWS’s weak performances, etc, etc). McCaskill is very weak as well as are 5 to 8 other Senate Dems up this year.
We can take nothing for granted and again Akin should drop out but let’s not let this one issue destroy our enthusiasm, motivation and confidence in winning this thing.
“If you don’t accept the results of the primary, then join another party.”
Don’t tell us to get out the party, a**hole. We have as much right to be here as you.
You appear to be having difficulty thinking this through clearly.
“If Missouri voters would rather vote for Obama and all of his policies that have left this nation in shambles economically, i.e., inimical to their own personal interests and lives, because of a verbal gaffe of a GOP senate candidate, then Missouri and the country deserve the government they get.”
Completely irrelevant. Who cares? The only thing that matters is what happens. And it is potentially not just Missouri voters that are impacted by this debacle. I and anyone not living in Missouri certainly won’t have anything to do with not voting for this fool.
“How stupid are these voters? What impact could Akin’s verbal gaffe have on their personal lives? He apologized and explained what he meant. He committed no crime. He didn’t display his private parts over social media, he didn’t consort with prostitutes; he didn’t have sex with interns in his office; he didn’t leave a women to drown in an overturned car; he didn’t lie under oath; and he didn’t run a homosexual prostitution ring from his house.”
Also completely irrelevant as it relates to choosing a course of action given the current facts on the ground. The bottom line is that Akin has become radioactive. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER IT IS RIGHT, FAIR, UNFAIR, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. Learn to deal with the circumstances you are presented with. You’ll find you will be a much happier person if you do.
“My God, what the Hell did Akin do to deserve such condemnation? He has an exemplary voting record (97.24 lifetime ACU rating and an A+ score from NumbersUSA on immigration,) 24 years in elective office at the state and federal level never losing an election; a devout Christian, a former Army officer, a good family man with 6 children—three of his sons have served in the US Marine Corps with two on active duty.”
One.... more... time. Completely irrelevant - see above.
“I blame the GOP for the current situation. They could have handled the situation much better. They could have disassociated themselves from Akin’s remarks, noted that he has apologized and explained his improper use language; and then said we should move on to address the concerns of Missouri voters on such issues as jobs, the economy, Obamacare, etc. Instead, one day after Akin’s gaffe, they launched into a huge blitzkrieg on Akin. The GOP joined into the MSM manufactured hysteria much to the delight of the Dems. The GOP made it a national issue.”
The GOP handled it exactly correctly. You don’t seem to understand the severity/gravity that many people place on his stupid comment. The polls reflect what you don’t seem to comprehend. And it isn’t the GOP’s reaction that has caused the poll results. It is AKIN who is to blame and the liberal media/democrats for playing it up for all its worth and then some.
Are you a democrat?
No thanks.
We need our politicians to do some hard thinking about their positions. If they cannot articulately defend them, they need to learn how to, fast. Everything is national now. Something stupid said at a BBQ in East Gimcrack doesn't stay there anymore...it goes around the world instantly. If you can't or won't play the game that way, you need to get out of the way of the people who can.
Well said. This is about limiting the contagion. Akin is radioactive. Having the party get behind him at this stage just embraces the Democrat war on women argument and validates the fears that independent women have about committing to the GOP.
The chips will fall as expected, Akin loses, and we all remember what an idiot he was. Yippee. That make you happy? Do you feel you win something from following this debacle to it's conclusion? Nothing changes. Candidates that make campaign ending ridiculous statements are still going to be asked to step aside. What is the value of a loss in this state compared with replacing McCaskill with a Senator that will vote to overturn Obamacare? This just proves that Akin and his hardcore supporters are stubborn boneheads who put ego over principle.
This is the reason I strongly believe the Rep Establishment saw this as a way to get someone to replace Akin who was more acceptable ideologically.
Oh BS. Quit with the persecution complex. Akin was obviously the weakest of the candidates. That is why McCaskill and the Democrats put 1-2 million in the GOP primary to help him win the nomination. The left didn't do this just to burn off some extra money. They made a cold, hard calculation that Akin was most likely to implode - and sure as heck enough, he did. No one tried to force Akin out when he originally won the primary. Money was slated to pour in from the party and SuperPAC's to help him win. And Akin was on track to win too, until he stated that women's bodies magically seal up and prevent pregnancy via rape. And please don't try to defend this statement when even Akin doesn't anymore.
O'Donnell finished off the political career of a RINO--an accomplishment all by itself. She also helped shake up the Rep establishment in Delaware.
Good grief, for love of all that is good in this world, please stop defending this woman. O'Donnell is a complete flake. It's like some of you people are looking at her and purposefully ignoring all the bizarre behavior. This is the woman that whined that the "establishment" wouldn't support her after having 4 years previously lost a GOP primary race and then abandoned the party and ran a complete failure of a 3rd party write-in bid. And on top of all the shady stuff that surrounds her, there are now allegation that she stole ideas from a fellow conservative and tried marketing it to Al Gore's current TV.
I am active in the Tea Party movement and GOP politics. I understand political reality, especially living in Northern VA, which has been transformed into a Dem bastion over the past 30 years I have been living here.
Ah, almost neighbors then! I am in Fairfax County and agree with your points about VA, demographics, etc.
No, I am not a kamikaze pilot. I am a person who sees a bunch of cowards, and I am calling them a bunch of cowards, because they damn well need to know it.
And I do not know how many people think a woman should be forced to carry the baby of a rapist, and I am not one of those people.
I SUPPORT THE RAPE, INCEST, AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER EXCEPTION. I ALWAYS HAVE, AND I ALWAYS WILL.
I AM NOT A 100% PRO-LIFER.
I support Todd Akin because he has the courage of his convictions. I do not agree with him or what he said, but I respect him for NOT BEING A SISSY REPUBLICAN.
I also support him, because I am not going to be pushed by a bunch of communists, and I am not going to be pushed by people who are scared of a bunch of communists.
You people had best wake up and get your heads out of your butts really soon, because we do not have time for your fear.
Then accept the results of the primary a**hole. Didn’t you read the context of the interchange?
This could be viewed as an ethical problem, assuming there actually exists people who honestly believe that Akin is being unjustly asked to leave the race by the GOP. (Most are probably dishonest trolls, though)
I come down on the side of utilitarianism - we should save the most people possible at the expense of one (Akin) if necessary. No categorical imperative here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
I do and Akin needs those ‘moderates’ to vote for him, or stay home, NOT vote for Claire. You can stomp your feet and call all the names you see fit and it will NOT get the moderates off their butts to vote for Akin or any Republican.
I really do not understand why all this is so complicated. This election is about who will get the moderates to vote for them. Old Claire has dressed herself up in a moderate costume and she is pretending she does not know who Obama is.
Missouri is a swing state, liberals and republicans are roughly evenly divided.... and then there are those shaking in the wind moderates, and ‘legitimate rape’ is NOT going to get them out voting for Akin in enough numbers.
Reality stinks, but that is what is going on.
I will vote for Akin IF he is on the ballot, but I am a minority in this state... it would not matter IF the Republican party gave Akin every nickle and dime they have, hugged, cheered him, joined him, ..... There are not enough Republicans in this state to win elections, that is why they call us a ‘swing’ state.
Yeah, I read it, a**hole..
I think we all accept the results. The results speak for themselves. But some of us don’t like ‘em.
THAT was the point. But don’t tell us to get out the party if we don’t like it.
No, I don’t. I’m pretty moderate, at least compared to others, and I live in FL.
I wish I could vote for him, but alas.
But you know what? If a bunch of moderates go and vote for Claire the Commie because of what Akin said, then they lose their freedom, and so do the rest of us.
So let’s hope they smarten up real fast.
Your comments are irrelevant. I have no idea how your response applies to my comments. My point is that if such a verbal gaffe is so powerful that it will lead to the voters of Missouri and the US to vote for Obama and his supporters without regard to Obama's policies that are destroying this country, then we deserve to lose. There has to be some proportionality to the impact of a verbal gaffe and actual policies deterimental to our lives.
You don’t seem to understand the severity/gravity that many people place on his stupid comment.
That is a problem isn't it? You seem to be one of those people who believe the " severity/gravity" of his comment. Let's see what impact it has over the next few weeks after the hysteria has died down. I don't for a minute believe that Akin's comments were that earthshaking. Compared to Obama's policies, they are irrelevant.
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