Is Mitt Becoming More Conservative?

Black Elk you have always been an inspriration to me. I have never sought to intrude upon the ground you covered because you have spoken with such clarity, power, and honesty that I feel I would be taking away from what you so brilliantly articulated.

I applaud you Sir for standing up for rights of the unborn as well as rights for any citizen of our great nation. Keep on fighting the good fight, keep the faith, and stay strong because whoever is elected our nation will need the voice of moral compasses such as yours if we are to make it through the perilous night that is coming in America. God Bless Brother.

You have been exposed as a FRAUD, a LAIR, and a HYPOCRITE by your own admissions. You kept talking about having to put aside your conservative principles well guess what you are putting aside your so called conservative principles to vote for Mitt Romney. And since you have been outed as a FRAUD, a LAIR, and a HYPROCRITE that is voting for Mitt Romney it is quite obvious that you never had any conservative principles to begin with. Let alone ones to put aside for an imaginary conspiracy of purists that was keeping The RINO-Man down that you allegedly supported. Tell me just what RINO Presidential candidate lost an election in 2000 and 2004 due to this imaginary conspiracy group of purists as you stated in your own post? You can’t answer that can you because you lied. You can drop your faux conservative mask now you have been exposed.

And by the way Fraud, Lying, and Hypocrisy are not conservative principles

Guess what conservatives also do not falsely accuse people, smear others with baseless accusations, and they do not lie to justify their actions as you do and have been doing this whole thread. Everything you been posting is nothing but BS. I have called you out on it and the best you can do is lie once again by making false and baseless accusations about my ideals. You have zero credibility now.

If you ever had any Conservative Principles you willingly put them aside a long time ago based on your own admissions and actions.

You have not be able so far to dispute anything I said and you have not be able to answer any of my questions so it only failed in your delusional mind.

All you got is ad hominem after ad hominem in a long line of lame attempts of false accusations of support of socialism but you have no proof what so ever of it. I don't know any Conservative that is giving socialism a pass except those that are voting for Obama and Mitt Romney which your doing. Mitt Romney himself admits he wanted Obama to succeed how much more socialist can one get than that. Romney-Care=Obama-Care they are both Pro-Abortion how much more Socialism do you need there to see you are voting for a socialist?

Oh so that is your story now. Hmm looking back at your posts so far you have not said any of that. Looks like you cought lying again.

When you get hit with the facts the best you can do is no comment. Wow that is really making your case. Not! You want give a response because you can't back up all your lies.

Once again Tell me just what RINO Presidential candidate lost an election in 2000 and 2004 due to this imaginary conspiracy group of purists as you stated in your own post? Why do you want to shred the Constitutional rights of those that can't vote and defend themselves as they are put to death by a guy that champions Abortion? How is that Conservative? How is that even American?

Still waiting for an answer. What no comment again.

As far as your evidence of a link to a thread of few posters on this site that said they weren't going to vote for McCain get a freaking clue this site does not even make up 0.001% of the whole voting demographic of the United States of America. So how could less than 0.001% be of proof anything let alone trying to make fit the whole voting block. Once again you busted for lying in trying misrepresent conservatives as a whole in the US. You just made up a set of lies to justify your selling out trying smear conservatives and I called you out on it. I will continue to call you out on it.

You Have No Credibility and No Proof of anything.

Mitt told you himself that he wanted Obama to succeed how much more proof besides all of his government records do you need. Quit trying to paint Mitt as a Conservative he is not. BTW which is the point of this thread. The only time Mitt ever comes close to being a conservative is when he Flip/Flops on issues depending on which audience he addressing at different points in his government career. Yeah there is a guy you can really trust with the most powerful office in the world. /sarcasm off

Now you want dictate where I can post? Wow that is really SOCIALIST of you!!! Just like Obama you want to take away my First Amendment Rights because you can back up your lies. Eric Holder is that you?

You brought this on yourself. All I did was point out that Mitt is not a conservative. Your the one who pinged me and jumped in here making false accusations. And by the way I will post on whatever thread I please.

When you get hit with the facts the best you can do is no comment. Wow that is really making your case. Not! You want give a response because you can't back up all your lies.

Once again Tell me just what RINO Presidential candidate lost an election in 2000 and 2004 due to this imaginary conspiracy group of purists as you stated in your own post? Why do you want to shred the Constitutional rights of those that can't vote and defend themselves as they are put to death by a guy that champions Abortion? How is that Conservative? How is that even American?

Still waiting for an answer. What no comment again.

As far as your evidence of a link to a thread of few posters on this site that said they weren't going to vote for McCain get a freaking clue this site does not even make up 0.001% of the whole voting demographic of the United States of America. So how could less than 0.001% be of proof anything let alone trying to make fit the whole voting block. Once again you busted for lying in trying misrepresent conservatives as a whole in the US. You just made up a set of lies to justify your selling out trying smear conservatives and I called you out on it. I will continue to call you out on it.

You Have No Credibility and No Proof of anything.

Mitt told you himself that he wanted Obama to succeed how much more proof besides all of his government records do you need. Quit trying to paint Mitt as a Conservative he is not. BTW which is the point of this thread. The only time Mitt ever comes close to being a conservative is when he Flip/Flops on issues depending on which audience he addressing at different points in his government career. Yeah there is a guy you can really trust with the most powerful office in the world. /sarcasm off

Now you want dictate where I can post? Wow that is really SOCIALIST of you!!! Just like Obama you want to take away my First Amendment Rights because you can back up your lies. Eric Holder is that you?

You brought this on yourself. All I did was point out that Mitt is not a conservative. Your the one who pinged me and jumped in here making false accusations. And by the way I will post on whatever thread I please.

Mitt told you himself that he wanted Obama to succeed how much more proof besides all of his government records do you need.

I think you read too much into such a silly semantic phrase, "I want Obama to succeed".

Myself, I will judge Mitt on his liberal record and his mostly conservative campaign, and I will contrast it to Obama, who has been a Marxist and who promises to be a Marxist.

Lets see how long has that been going on and exactly other than Reagan what success has been had?

All you have been posting is phony innuendo in an attempt to bolster a fictitious contrived scenario of your own making of a made up bogus boogie-man that is keeping The RINO-Man down to justify the GOP losing elections. News Flash for you jack it is not the conservatism that is to blame for the GOP’s failures. And that has been your message all alone is to demonized Conservatives for RINO-GOPe’s failure to win elections the only problem is that it’s just a make believe fairytale of an imaginary conspiracy you concocted to justify your scheme of selling out Conservative Principles for support of a Liberal Progressive Republican candidate Mitt Romney that has been spitting on Conservatism for his entire career in politics.

Once again it is not Conservatives who are at fault here. It is the GOP’s lack luster support on Conservative Issues that is at fault and is keeping them from being control right now and being the majority in all three houses. It is RINOism that is responsible for Republican loses. It always has been and always will be. Consevativism gave us Ronald Reagan as President for two terms and it was Conservatism that gave us control of both Houses of Congress in 1994. It was Conservatives voting that gave us the Presidency and control of both Houses of Congress under George W. Bush.

It was Bob Dole’s record and his running away from that conservative message and model that lost us the election in 1996 to a scandal ridden gigolo with bad policy issues. It was John McCain that lost us the election in 2008 because he had never embraced conservatism during his tenure as a career politician. As a matter of fact he went out of his way many times to make war on it to just to grandstand. The MSM and the liberal left loved John McCain because of it. It was John McCain’s fault for losing an election to a Nobody, Socialist, Community Organizer that barely had 2 years experience as a Senator. The reason John McCain would not go after Obama on his socialist past and socialist views was because of his own liberal progressivism would become an issue and because if he did then John McCain would find himself in the spot light for being a hypocrite because of his own stances on those issues. What do Bob Dole and John McCain both have in common that both managed to lose the independent vote, which we had sown up in 1994, because of their lack of a conservative message and their complete lack of a direction and vision to move our country forward. And because of their track records and lifeless messages it cost them and us the election by losing the majority of the Independent vote and the percentage of the Democrat vote that would have pushed them past the edge into office. And I am not going to sit back and let you rewrite election history and villainized conservatives as the reason for RINO politicians negligence and malfeasance in running their failing inept campaigns to get elected so you can somehow justify your support for a Liberal, Progressive, Republican candidate in Mitt Romney.

In 1994 the GOP ran on serious Conservative platform and guess what lies4Mitt we took control of both houses for the first time in 40 years. Not only that we got the majority of the Independent vote alone with a percentage of the Democrat vote. And after the 1994 Conservative Revolution giving us a majority in both Houses the Democrats were running scared and were defecting right and left to join the Republican Party because they saw just how effective Conservative ideas had in energizing the nation’s voters. Conservativism wins every time it is tried.

But then we got a Republican President in office after 8 years of Clinton and at one point control of both Houses Of Congress what did the GOP do with that power we gave them the gave us a Ted Kennedy written educational bill, expansion of Medicare, watered down bills that even some Democrats didn’t have a problem voting for because they knew that had no teeth and were just lip service, TARP, nothing done on securing our borders on effectively keeping terrorists from crossing over, not dealing with illegal immigration, nothing done on fixing Social Security, getting rid of government waste and not this baseline budgeting crap what might be spent, nothing on the federal deficit and getting monetary house in order, and nothing on energy policy in making our nation energy independent, a turn coat Supreme Court Judge that when it really mattered the most in Up-Holding the Constitution turned his back on it and open up multi avenues for future shredding of the US Constitution all because he want to enshrine his own legacy in history that he ruled in favor of Obama-Care= Romney-Care. When we finally had the chance to really ram home conservative principles and make conservative policy that would have put our economy back on track getting rid of governmental largesse that would have fired up our economic engine, Tax Reform , Pro-Life issues, and Tort Reform it didn’t happen. What ensued was they did not want to confront the hard decisions and in the name of Presidents Bush’s New Tone they ran away from those political confrontations and relinquished their sworn responsibilities stetting aside their principles and setting the stage for an Obama election. And John McCain was a big part of that.

Once again it is about having principles and sticking to those principals regardless how hard the fight is going to be. Without them you will be defeated every time because you do not have any moral authority in convincing the American Public that you have a winning game plan. All you are doing with your phony boogie man scheme of demonizing Conservatives is giving aid and confront to the enemy and sowing more distrust and discord with the voting public. And I for one am not going to sit by and let you get away with destroying it and so you can feel justified in selling out Conservatism for a Liberal Progressive Republican candidate. If you can’t make the case for Mitt on his own track record alone without the villivaction of Conservatives then you never had a chance to begin with. Because every time you scarf ice your principles and your morals by forsaking God and his commandments for political expediency you are not just throwing your own freedoms and liberty but trampling your fellow citizens as well. And as you continue to forsake your responsibilities of these God given principles you are becoming nothing more than a beast subject to your own lust for power with no moral compass and no compassion for life. Once again it is the Principles either you got them or you don’t because they are what wins elections and changes minds in the arena of ideas in implementing a conservative agenda giving us a cleared road in our pursuit of happiness to better ourselves giving us true freedom and liberty and reaffirming our unalienable rights that are bestowed upon us by our Creator God Almighty.

You nailed it spot on BlackElk. Once you put the facts out there about Mitt Romney it terrifies them to death and they go looking for a ways to censure you or do the old Clinton routine of lying and the total mis-characterization of the messenger. Mitt and the Mitt Pom Pom girls are running his Political FX department to death as he puts on a new mask each time he speaks and each time someone looks into his past government records and starts pointing out he is not what he claims to be.

Once the GOP makes it clear that they will go against the Pro-Life plank of it's platform there will be no turning back. Once they start supporting Pro-Abortion candidates then there is no more bench mark of differentiation between the GOP and the DNC and they lost the rights to the most important argument for being Pro-Life is we protect life and the unalienable rights of our citizen and especially those people that have no voice and can not defend themselves. That all men are created equal you know that Declaration of Independence thingy they don’t want to deal with anymore because of Mitt’s Pro-Abortion stance. There will be no where the GOP can turn because they are now guilty of shredding the Constitutional rights of the people and are ok with freely throwing other people’s lives away for political expediency. It would seem they are Ok with death panels just so long as it is not Obama’s death panels.

Bottom line is they can’t defend Mitt based on his record how in the heck are they going to convince the rest of the American public to vote for him? Spin just does not go as far as it used too so the best they can do is run the old canard of quadrennial Dire Emergency but the only problem is they are pitting one liberal progressive agenda up against another liberal progressive agenda making 4 year scare factor moot.

You are so right on that they can not even trot out the argument of What about Supreme Court Nominations because it doesn't hold any water because of Mittler’s own track record.

Oh no, one of his critics has said the magic words: CLASS WARFARE!!!, the modern staple of the heartless elitists who have bought the GOP for you know whom and even for previously sensible talk show hosts who serve them pro tem. Abracadabra: CLASS WARFARE!!!

For those who scream CLASS WARFARE!!! as the all purpose magic elixir to make all those nasty embarrassing populists go away, get a life! You don't mind at all CLASS WARFARE waged by Elites against ordinary folk, but you very much resent the peasants fighting back. You want CLASS WARFARE!!! to be a strictly one-way street (an unanswered massacre by our "betters") and the crushed should just sit down, shut up, be massacred and stop jeopardizing the profits that fill Muffie's trust fund. Why, if these bitter clingers had their way, poor Muffie's trust fund would collapse and she might actually have to, well, WORK for a living like mere peasants. Can't have that now, can we?

You did not apparently check the Wikipedia references I gave you earlier as to the relations between anti-semites and our allegedly capitalistic (for them and no one else) Ruling Class (See Angelo Codevilla's article in the American Spectator 7/26/2010) and his subsequent 2010 book America's Ruling Class: How political elites hijacked America. If you don't know who Angelo Codevilla is and you are too lazy to Google him that would explain much.

When Krupp Arms (Wikipedia) produced armaments galore for the Reich and IGFarbenIndustrie AG produced Zyklon B (Jewish Virtual Encyclopedia), they acted as "capitalists" and maybe even as "fiscal conservatives," no conservative would object to the profit as such. The objection was to the chosen means by which the "profit" was produced.

Charles "Charlie Lucky" Luciano was quite a profitmaker in his own right and I, for one, would not deny him his bootlegging profits any more than I would deny Joe Kennedy his. OTOH, the use of some of that money to hire Louis Lepke Buchalter and his Murder, Incorporated, to slaughter (and thereby remove) Charlie Lucky's boss, Salvatore Maranzano (making way for Charlie's creation of the Five Families of New York) and in hiring Trigger Mike Coppola to waste Dutch Schultz and Joe The Pig Masseria (in the Castellamarese War among NYC gangsters) was, shall we say, a bit less honorable and a bit less admirable, however profitable. Likewise, Mittler's entire despicable career of babykilling, marriage (normal marriage, other people's) destroying, crushing the jobs of the peasants and sending their jobs to Bangladesh or wherever to squeeze that last penny out of every Bain investment and put the peasants in their place of servitude.

Samuel Gompers, who arrived here from Great Britain as a simple but very bright teenager and cigar maker and he later founded the American Federation of Labor is said to have been asked whether he was a socialist. He said no and that he was a capitalist. He also said the the factory owners were not the only capitalists, that their workers were also capitalists. Factory owners owned the land and buildings and machinery and raw materials as their capital contribution but the workers owned their bodies and their time and their effort. Together they produced the finished goods that the owners would price and sell in the marketplace seeking to maximize the owners' profits. But first, there had to be negotiation between owners and workers as the workers sought to maximize THEIR profits from the sale to the owners of their time and labor. This from my mother's brother, Republican (in his youth he had been a Wendell Willke enthusiast, gag) and he was a Printers' Union Local President. I don't have an internet link and my uncle has gone to his final reward. That was his brother killed on USS Buck off Salerno by a Nazi U-Boat.

There is another quote from Gompers' Wikipedia article to the effect that the worst crime against the workers was a company that made no profit. Nonetheless Gompers led the fight against the factory owners waging CLASS WARFARE!!! against the organized workers of his time (roughly 1886 to 1924 save one year from late 1894 to late 1892).

You have made many recommendations but I have seen few if any reasons to accept and act to implement them. I come from a large extended birth family of Roman Catholic labor Democrats. I am aware of no Democrats among them today. Close to all the survivors are now Republicans and conservatives. A very few died as Democrats (may God have mercy on their souls!). My efforts to bring about that result have met with a non-monetary success in that respect. Are you doing as well with your relatives???

Happy capitalist Labor Day to you and yours! St. George Meany, pray for her.

BTW, the news station here in the Rockford area just carried the story that the California Demonrat State Chair John Burton(???) has called the GOP leadership including you know whom comparable to Nazis. Are you "severely offended???" Is this one of the infamous brie and chablis leftist Burton brothers of San Fransicko??? I may have to sue him for trademark infringement.

sf4dubya:

In her #290: SHUT UP!!! She argued insightfully and articulately!!! That'll show that Captain person. He's just gotta stop telling the truth about "our" Romney!!! I note that you seldom answer questions posed to you sure do sling that advice around to those more conservative than thee quite freely, advice soooooo0 freely slung as to how conservatives should just shuck all those boring old inconvenient principles and do what you demand because you demand it. You are also one who likes to control both sides of an argument which is not surprising considering the paucity of your knowledge compounded by the often inappropriate vehemence of your emotions.

Captain Beyond:

Good job as ever! Scorched earth is something to savor. Ask the Russians facing Napoleon and the later ones facing Hitler.

Don't worry about responding to her links. I give her plenty from neutral sites as you know and she ignores them.

Ca[tain: For all the things that matter, carry on! (P, P and M: Sweet Survivor)

Thanks for each and every word.

God bless you and yours!