Posted on 09/01/2012 7:45:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
There you go! :) Well played!
So, you fall into the "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but don't want to force my beliefs on others" category?
You sound EXACTLY like the Clintons, Pelosi, Reid and most Democrats.
IBTZ.
If the Mother makes the decision to have and keep the child (and there are many), I say you’re a wonderful human being. But, I refuse to force that decision.
Would I be out of line if I questioned the wisdom of your mother’s decision?
Mitt Romney Says Govt Shouldn't Have Stopped Terri Schiavo's Euthanasia
Sorry, bad link above.
http://archive.lifenews.com/bio2019.html
For the record, this stance from Romney is from when he was first testing the waters to run for president, and the author now regularly covers for him.
Ambassador Keyes sums it up perfectly here.
That’s a few snippets from an interview from one media source. But from that and everything else I have read, it seems that Romney is at best wishy washy about protecting people like Schiavo. I think it is different from Jeb Bush choosing to abide by the court and not intervening illegally. The Bushes should not be associated with euthanasia that way.
Jeb Bush had a constitutional OBLIGATION and full authority to save Terri's life, he betrayed his oath and abetted in the violation of a valid Congressional subpoena.
You and EV are applying emotion and not reason. The rule of law in Florida and United States specifically forbade intervention. If EV wants to make grandiose statements about Bush supporting euthanasia leading to Romney supporting euthanasia, that is to his own detriment.
To avoid confusion, I referring specifically to post 58.
The Congressional subpoena was valid and Bush was authorized to use his powers to enforce it.
Finally, Judge Greer lacked the power to kill Terri. The Constitution FORBIDS taking a person's life without a jury trial.
The progressives know this and fight tooth and nail for every inch, take all they can and have a very long term plan.
The republicans can win 80% of what they want but will pout and walk away from the table with nothing unless they win it all.
The progressives get 40% and they walk away happy. That's why they win with a losing hand virtually every game against the pure or nothing at all republicans.
"Sorry kid, we the pure of the GOP could have saved you and most of the others, but unless we can save everyone, all of you die."
The equal protection of the God-given, unalienable right to life of the individual is the raison d’etre of all government, at every level, in every branch. So said the founders of this free republic.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men...”
The Bush Republicans failed in their main duty, from Judge Greer, to the FL courts, to FL attorney general Charlie Crist, to governor Jeb Bush, to the federal courts, to George W. Bush.
Sins of omission, derelictions of duty, are just as bad as sins of commission. In this case, fatally so for Terri.
Of course, Romney agreed with them, as I pointed out above.
The Florida Supreme Court chose to ignore these and the USSC didn't intervene and so she died. Where is the support for your claim from that time?
I believe this is would be an improvement, not perfection.
I'll be very happily surprised if Romney or anyone else can pull things back from where they are now to where things were before RvW.
We have to follow the Constitution and laws of the land, not the Declaration of Independence. Your view that the law can be ignored for some cases leads to some potential problems.
Bush had the Florida State Police prepared to take custody of Terri, he chickened out because he was afraid of a confrontation.
That’s nonsense. The Declaration of Independence is the first part of the organic law of the United States. It is our nation’s charter.
And, both the U.S. Constitution and the Florida constitution explicitly forbid the killing of innocent persons.
You normally seem to make sense and I usually regard you as one of the more intelligent and cogent people here.
I think there is something about this issue has clouded your ability to comprehend the simple language I used and you have quoted.
To answer your questions, yes, about somethings I am naive and no, I am absolutely not a "pro-abortion" plant.
I would rather we simply honor life, from conception until natural or accidental death, instead of the any abortion for any reason, even simple convenience, that we have now.
But, I would certainly consider it a major step in the right direction if the only exceptions were for the cases of rape and to save the life of the mother.
I would see that as progress, not perfection, and it would be a major improvement and victory worth celebrating.
Read into that whatever you feel helps you win the argument we're not having.
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