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To: CharlesWayneCT

The grave problem with your analogy is that if you are an elected official in this country, you are not in the position of those who smuggled Jews. You are in the position of those who were in charge of the German government.

I have become convinced that even if you gave the Republicans 100% of the executive office and legislative seats they would not stop the abortion holocaust.

This is certainly true if those “Republicans” are Romney Republicans.

Which most of the Republicans elected to public office are now becoming.

After all, Romney’s positions leave unalienable rights alienable by courts, or majorities, or states, and subject to “exceptions” that leave every innocent child vulnerable to the threat of being butchered and killed in their mother’s womb.


188 posted on 09/01/2012 7:41:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t disagree with your assessment. Politics ia a majority game, and at this point, we don’t have a majority in this country who have been educated enough to ban abortion.

Look at the fight over rape/incest exceptions — it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the reason abortion should be banned.

I believe that things like focusing on partial birth abortion and the pain an unborn feels are ways to educate people. When we discuss pain, people realise we are discussing a human feeling. When we force women to get ultrasounds (something that in and of itself does NOTHING to suggest abortion is murder), it makes women SEE that the baby is not a mass, but is a tiny human being.

When we banned partial birth abortion, it exposed the pro-abortionists who opposed it — nobody could doubt that a baby who was outside the womb was a human being, and yet there the abortionists were, arguing that since the baby was still attached, and still partly in the womb, it was the mother’s choice.

That argument allows us to now note that abortionists don’t care at all about life, they are really just about making money.

As to the analogy — I would argue that, for abortion, the elected officials are no more in a position of power than the smuggler. The court has ruled, and we can’t ban abortion until we fix the court, which we can’t do until we replace at least one more justice, and a pro-life justice will never be put on the court so long as Obama is president, and the democrats control the senate.

Say what you will about Bush, but he appears to have put 2 pro-life judges on the supreme court during his time in office. His father put one, Reagan put one. How many have democrats done?

But I digress. The problem is that the court has precluded an outright ban. And you might argue that a president could just ignore the court, but house members and senate members certainly can’t pull that trick.

What they CAN do is pass laws that save SOME of the babies, and also humanize the babies, which helps us win the hearts and minds of the people we need to save more babies.

I don’t disagree with your fight to reach the ultimate goal. What I strongly disagree with is your outright attacks on people because they aren’t saving as many lives as you wish.

When we get the supreme court to give abortion back to the states, I doubt half the states will ban abortion entirely. It could take generations to educate people on the value of human life — look how long it took to teach people that race is an artificial distinction.

Frankly, I think abortion will be illegal only by a providential act of God. I see it as a miracle we should pray for, not something we can expect government to provide. I hope it happens one way or another. Until then, I will support candidates who can WIN ELECTIONS, and save as many lives as we can, while espousing the principle that all life is sacred.


198 posted on 09/02/2012 5:07:41 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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