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It's real and FPSRussia's got one, the SRM-1216 16-shot automatic shotgun (VIDEO)
guns.com ^ | 14 September, 2012 | Max Slowik

Posted on 09/15/2012 9:07:42 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
What’s with the phony accent?

How do you know his accent is phony? Do you have any background info on who this guy is, where he films and how he manages to get hold of so much cool stuff?

21 posted on 09/15/2012 11:40:43 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Ozymandias Ghost; All
The bullpup design has been credited w/reducing “perceived recoil” by some authorities; although I am not aware of the physics that would support that statement.

The physics are pretty simple. Bullpup designs lower the axis of the bore in relation to the stock, usually so the axis of the bore extends through the butt of the firearm. In more "conventional" designs, the axis of the bore is considerably above the butt. By changing the geometry, bullpup designs have the recoil forces, which are directed backward along the axis of the bore, pushing the shooter straight back. Conventional designs, with the axis above the butt, create a lever arm for angular momentum. Thus, some of the recoil is translated into muzzle flip.

Muzzle flip is perceived as greater recoil, in part because it throws the sights off of target, and shoves the stock into the cheek ( or face if you do not have a good cheek weld).

22 posted on 09/15/2012 12:43:47 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

“How do you know his accent is phony?”

I have lived outside the U.S. most of my life.

I speak Spanish, English, understand Italian, Portuguese and can spot accurately accents in many other languages. This fool had a phony accent based on American speech. The author of the article noticed that too. But you didn’t read the article.


23 posted on 09/15/2012 1:00:31 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: muir_redwoods
A mallard wouldn’t stand a chance. :)

Get caught with too many rounds and you might not be able to hunt again.

24 posted on 09/15/2012 1:10:16 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: marktwain
Hi MT-

Thx! I appreciate the clear concise explanation.

While I understood the concept of “muzzle flip” as it pertains to handguns/target reacquisition; your final paragraph helped clarify how/why “muzzle flip” translates to decreased “perceived recoil” in a bullpup design.

I presume the only downside to bullpup design is placing the chamber closer to the shooters face (gasses from spent cartridges/increased danger to the shooter in the even of a critical failure due to overpressure) and a shorter sight radius. Any other pluses or minuses in your opinion?

Regards,

-Geoff

25 posted on 09/15/2012 1:29:18 PM PDT by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Can you imagine how hot the barrel on that Glock got after he finished that drum magazine!


26 posted on 09/15/2012 6:07:24 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: marktwain

Reminds me a bit of the prototype Jackhammer shotgun. Also gives me nightmares of playing SOCOM as a SEAL, going against 4 terrorists with the damn thing.


27 posted on 09/15/2012 10:31:31 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
This fool had a phony accent based on American speech. The author of the article noticed that too. But you didn’t read the article.

I read the article and both you and the author have no details. So your opinion is as worthless as his was.

28 posted on 09/16/2012 6:05:29 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Ozymandias Ghost
Pluses of Bullpup design:

Shorter overall length, so longer barrels or suppressors can easily be accommodated.

Recoil directed along axis bore through butt, less muzzle flip.

Do not seem to “balance and handle” as well as conventional designs. May simply require familiarization.

Minuses of Bullpup design:

Much longer trigger linkage, more complicated design.

Muzzle is much closer to operators face(unless barrel is lengthened).

Sights are much above bore axis (not so great for hunting guns that require precision at shorter ranges).

Do not seem to “balance and handle” as well as conventional designs. May simply require familiarization.

Puts most magazines in the butt, not as easily accessed by dominant hand as magazines near the trigger.

And your point, the ejection of empties occurs nearer the shooter, so it must be dealt with. If done well, this is not a problem, but it can be. Empties can be directed downward, or switched from side to side, or as in the Kel-Tec, even pushed forward and out a tube (fascinating design!)

29 posted on 09/18/2012 3:47:17 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Ozymandias Ghost

I put the “balances and handles” point on both sides. I should have removed it from the “plus” side.


30 posted on 09/18/2012 3:50:32 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Thx for the bullpup analysis!


31 posted on 09/18/2012 3:51:17 PM PDT by Ozymandias Ghost
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