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To: indpndtguy

I wish we had a media that could be trusted to sort this out and get to the bottom of it.

I’ve seen very little of the videos. What I’ve seen and read described could possibly fit this narrative, to a point.

I think it is possible that some on our side could misinterpret some of what we see. I think it is likely the other side is playing fast and loose with the truth.

But there could be some of both. It is quite possible that some arabs friendly to the united states came into the embassy, found his body, were happy he was alive, and drove him to the hospital.

It is likely that protestors, seeing his body drug out a window, would cheer because he was a victim.

It is possible he was sodomozed while he was in the embassy, or it is possible that story is not true.

(Not an embassy, I know). But what is clear is that our sovereign territory was overrun by our enemies, and the administration had no idea where their own ambassador was for hours. This is a failure of the highest order.

To the degree we get into arguments over whether the body was mistreated or abused, or whether people were shouting for or against us, we are distracted from making the important points.

Romney tried to make that point on the first night, and the media went into full-attack mode to squelch it. We need to focus on the simple truths and not allow ourselves to be further taken off-message:

Obama has a polyanish world-view that was just shattered by reality, where everybody loves us now, and we don’t need to worry about “terrorists”.

Obama has been bragging about his “success” in killing Osama, and bragging about the terror threat being over, and this no doubt has encouraged our enemies to prove him wrong.

Obama failed to provide adequate security at our facilities throughout the muslim world, probably because of his failure to understand the empathy the muslim world has for our country and our freedoms.

Obama failed to protect our people, to the point where they LOST our ambassador for hours. If they had kept track of where he was, they would have known he was in that compound, and could have sent marines in to get him, and he probably would have gotten much better medical treatment and survived.

Frankly, that is the totally unreported story: Obama had NO IDEA where the ambassador was, so they didn’t know to go rescue him from this building. We now know he was not killed in the attack, and was instead slowly dying of damage from smoke inhalation. That is treatable in many cases; if we knew where he was, we could have saved him. Obama’s failure cost him his life.

Obama focused on the wrong things. Our Egyption embassy releasing an overblown denunciation of some crackpot youtube video was an excellent EXAMPLE of this, as was Hillary’s official US pronunciation against the same video. This is not government’s job. While they went after a you-tube video, people were dying. There were three attacks in Afghanistan, in addition to all the rioting at our embasssies.

And far from acknowleding failure, the adminstration bizarrely announced that the violence was NOT spilling over into Afghanistan, even while our main compound was breached, and another terrorist given free access to our inner workings turned on us and killed peopole.

This last thing is because of another Obama failure — the acceleration of the timetable for leaving Afghanistan, which forced them to stop doing adequate security screenings. SO now we have terrorist infiltrators given weapons and access, working side-by-side with our troops, and then killing them.

The media won’t report any of this. We don’t see daily body counts from the “lost war in Afghanistan”. We don’t see the list of real failures. We need to push it, which means not getting distracted by other less important things such as who was yelling what when our dying ambassador was left to fend for himself by this administration.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 10:28:46 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

CharlesWayneCT~” Obama had NO IDEA where the ambassador was, so they didn’t know to go rescue him from this building. We now know he was not killed in the attack, and was instead slowly dying of damage from smoke inhalation. That is treatable in many cases; if we knew where he was, we could have saved him. Obama’s failure cost him his life.”

The crux of the situation is ..that Obama needed his sleep, and went to bed.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 10:53:57 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Obama failed to provide adequate security at our facilities throughout the muslim world, probably because of his failure to understand the empathy the muslim world has for our country and our freedoms.

I agree with your post, but you probably meant to say "antipathy" or I would say "pathological hatred"

50 posted on 09/17/2012 11:39:49 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The media won’t report any of this. We don’t see daily body counts from the “lost war in Afghanistan”. We don’t see the list of real failures.

At least Obama can't use the Osama killing any more to show how marvelous a foreign policy president he is.
74 posted on 09/17/2012 2:10:16 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Do you still believe in Santa Claus?


97 posted on 09/17/2012 5:32:47 PM PDT by miserare
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To: CharlesWayneCT
27 posted on Mon Sep 17 2012 12:28:46 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by CharlesWayneCT: “The media won’t report any of this. We don’t see daily body counts from the “lost war in Afghanistan”. We don’t see the list of real failures.”

Charles, I usually agree with you, but on this point the New York Times does run a daily report on those who have died in Afghanistan. It's on my newstracker alerts from the NYT. Unfortunately, with troops deployed over there not only from Fort Leonard Wood but also lots of local people with hometowns in this area serving in uniform and stationed elsewhere, I need to have that information.

105 posted on 09/18/2012 1:10:44 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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