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To: Carry_Okie
Did Prop 65 truly tell you what is toxic?

Sheesh.

Sheesh is right, when someone who claims to be a conservative can't grasp the concept that in a free society, consumers have a right to know what sort of product is being offered for sale. And they have right to spend their money on the product of their choice, for whatever reasons they make their buying decisions.

Really weird to see all these so-called conservatives assume the role of Big Brother and say: we know what's best. Don't ask questions; just take what we've decided is fine for you to consume. That's how Stalin and Mao did it in their time.

16 posted on 09/24/2012 7:12:54 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
Sheesh is right, when someone who claims to be a conservative can't grasp the concept that in a free society, consumers have a right to know what sort of product is being offered for sale.

Oh really? Well there's a problem with your thesis, "conservative."

In a free society, process and formulary information is private property. It is the discretion of the OWNER to tell you about what he owns that you want to buy. Until you pay for both the product and that information, there is no sale and the product remains the property of the vendor. You can ask the vendor to tell you that information, and refuse to buy it if they don't. If there are enough customers like you, you can watch him go out of business if he won't. That's how liberty works.

Instead, you want the all powerful State to force the producer to tell you everything about his product whether it matters to your safety or not and whether you choose to buy it or not.

You had options you choose not to exercise. You could have hired a third party you trusted to assess that information, a business possessing a record of keeping trade secrets while accurately assessing concerns about product safety. You've been doing the same for decades with everything from lightbulbs to computers, including appliances that could kill you if they were unsafe. Somehow, you didn't need a schematic. The reason is that you hired Underwriters Labs to go in there and check out the product. It's a VOLUNTARY system that works fine and has for nearly a century, but now it's not good enough for you.

Really weird to see all these so-called conservatives assume the role of Big Brother and say: we know what's best.

You are the one playing Big Brother here, because you want the government to pry into everybody's business because you don't trust their products, you don't accept their guarantees, and you don't take their insurance despite the waters boiling with lawyers all around them. Nope. You want the State to enter their laboratories, steal their proprietary information and tell it you, whether the differences are material or not, whether you understand them or not.

I have done more than anyone on this forum toward replacing regulatory government with private property free enterprise solutions. Seriously. You'd better check my FR page before shooting off your mouth, as I own the first patent for a business method in free market environmental management. I've put my job on the line to force my employer to obtain environmental permits, despite having two new babies and a new house in the midst of a recession. I have been engaged in native plant habitat restoration for 23 years, starting before a single university ever offered the specialty. I've given up over $1.5 million in salary to do that work.

I tell you now, you quite clearly have no idea how free enterprise works, much less what "conservative" even means.

I don't even know why I bother with power freaks like you.

17 posted on 09/24/2012 7:43:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Will88; Dragonspirit; Carry_Okie

The U.S. Department of Agriculture as well as the California Department of Public Health already have the responsibility of assuring that food is healthy and safe. Voters don’t need to adopt additional oversight when there are existing public agencies funded to do that.

Consumers will be forced to bear the costs of the new requirements including costs of litigation brought on by lawyers lined up at the courthouse doors.

Half of all food products in the grocery store already contain genetically modified ingredients to no demonstrable ill effect on consumers.

If you want unmodified products you should shop at a natural foods market and spare the rest of us the expense of your purchasing decisions.


20 posted on 09/24/2012 8:38:33 PM PDT by concentric circles
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