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The Bell Curve strikes again.
1 posted on 09/27/2012 8:38:03 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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How could this happen in New York, bastion of diversity? /s


2 posted on 09/27/2012 8:42:40 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (ZERO DARK THIRTY (coming soon to an embassy near you))
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conforms with tagline ... got to hammer down excellence lest the mediocre look bad.


3 posted on 09/27/2012 8:42:40 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Obama gives us the gift of downward mobility)
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I have an idea. Why does not the NAACP and La Raza
and the two “Reverends” start a fund raising campaign
to support the hiring of tutors for black and brown students.


4 posted on 09/27/2012 8:43:44 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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Sad to say, it does, and it doesn’t. That Asian rate ought to be up there well over 65% ~ so they are screwing with the results.


7 posted on 09/27/2012 8:48:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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The schools can shrug and say if the test is discriminatory, it is the city’s fault, since it’s their test, so sue Bloomberg. And good luck with that.

Bottom line, pick about any standardized test and black students will do poorer on it than other students. This is not the fault of the test. Nor does it mean that black students should get something they have not achieved.

Sorry. At some point, society has to put its foot down and accept that losers are losers, and deserve no support if they cannot or will not improve themselves.

While indeed there was discrimination in the past, it is almost entirely gone, so the rules to correct it need to be gone as well.


11 posted on 09/27/2012 8:55:48 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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NAACP claims discriminatory admission practices at [New York] city's elite high schools

Lemme guess - - the tests and admissions criteria are exactly the same for everybody, and that's not fair to blacks?

13 posted on 09/27/2012 8:58:32 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Five black players and one white player. Shouldn't we `diversify' NCAA football?
14 posted on 09/27/2012 9:00:30 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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Education officials hit back against the NAACP’s complaint, arguing the test is color-blind.

LMBO!!!
It's Ubamaworld now, and "color-blind" is not the way good Democrats are supposed to think. Quite the opposite, in fact.

15 posted on 09/27/2012 9:01:31 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Our public high schools in Rochester NY. Only 10% of the blacks graduate. These were the very best schools around in my day.


16 posted on 09/27/2012 9:02:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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War is Peace
Ignorance in Strength
Freedom is Slavery
Colorblindness is Racism


17 posted on 09/27/2012 9:07:02 AM PDT by LaserJock
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I remember waaaay back in 1967, when NC finally intergrated its schools, I had a world history class. Most of the black students were failing the class and the teacher got the word that he must lighten up on the black students.


19 posted on 09/27/2012 9:08:41 AM PDT by Buddygirl (Just about all Democrats are (blank). You fill in the blank!)
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” The NAACP believes the grueling exam is unfair to black and Latino students because they are denied admission “at rates far higher than other racial groups.””

So what?

Maybe they flunked the exam.....YEAH, I’ll bet they flunked the entrance exam.....dat’s de ticket!


20 posted on 09/27/2012 9:09:16 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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I went to one of the NYC special high schools, and it’s true that in general a lot of the students were actually from very well-off families that could have afforded to send them to private schools, and that therefore these students had the advantage of private coaching, etc. for the exams and throughout their pre-high school educational careers. But that’s just how it is.

There are certainly many in the black upper middle class now in NYC who can do the same, but I suspect that a lot of them send their children to private school as a status thing, and therefore this reduces the number of available black students. Many of the brighter Hispanic students probably attend one of the good Catholic high schools (based on my casual observation).

So that leaves a pool of less well prepared minority students (thanks to a combination of some lousy NYC public schools and parents who don’t care). However, that said, I think there are also teachers in some of NYC’s junior high schools that have large minority populations who never encourage the kids to aim for one of these schools or even to take a chance and apply. NYC schools are full of burned-out union hacks who do nothing to inspire or encourage the kids.

If they were serious about this disparity, they should look at preparation or lack thereof in the lower grades; they should also look at encouragement and information given by the teachers regarding the special high schools. Unfortunately, I think what they really want to do is lower the standards for the schools. That’s what they did to City College, once a school considered comparable to the Ivies academically and after a few years of “open enrollment,” a joke that nobody even wanted to claim as their alma mater.


21 posted on 09/27/2012 9:10:20 AM PDT by livius
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Well, yeah, they don’t allow stupid people in.........


23 posted on 09/27/2012 9:12:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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I agree with the NAACP. If they want to have student enrollment in proportion to the racial makeup of the city it is not fair to expect black kids to pass a test.

The answer is quite simple, They cannot pass those tests in the proportions desired.

They cannot pass the Fire department tests, they cannot pass the police Departments tests. The Government has forced these agencies to hire under a quota system and it is only right to establish a quota system for blacks going to high School.’

It is a good thing that tests are not required for teachers or there would be few black teachers.They simply show their sheepskin and they are hired. Once in they are in for good.

The only answer to the problem of getting more black kids into this elite High School is to establish a quota system and allow those black students who could not pass the test to slow down the others. That’s the only fair way, it works for affirmative action jobs and it should work for affirmative action education.


24 posted on 09/27/2012 9:16:26 AM PDT by Venturer
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I am surprised that schools have been able to admit by just testing. My question would be, how have they been able to get away with this? In New York City, no less. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.


25 posted on 09/27/2012 9:16:45 AM PDT by mom.mom
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I think they dont want to say the students did anything wrong it must be a test.

Responsibility is what is lacking in school. If you break the rules you get punished. If you get a bad grade you should get a bad grade.This is teachers and students and parents.

I say we open all information of schools as public record. Attendance, discipline actions, tests, SAT, and quizes. Why not have a facebook page for each teacher? Each student?

Life is hard and no one will help you if you dont help yourself.


27 posted on 09/27/2012 9:30:08 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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Seems to me the only people getting discriminated against anywhere is the middle aged white Christian male.


28 posted on 09/27/2012 9:49:46 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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Here in Dayton the city has set up a STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) school. This should have been an elite school, with a test for admission. However, the funding source requires that the school take all applicants, first-come first-served, until enrollment is full. The only hope is that the word will get out, don't apply, this place is tough. If instead they water down the curriculum, it will be another waste.
29 posted on 09/27/2012 9:51:19 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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As Elmer Fudd says Waisim, Waisim, Waisim.


32 posted on 09/27/2012 10:04:46 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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