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Why was President Obama so bad?
The Washington Post ^ | 4 Oct 2012

Posted on 10/04/2012 12:11:48 PM PDT by mandaladon

The Barack Obama who stood on the debate stage in Denver Wednesday night was virtually unrecognizable to the person who swept to victory in 2008 or even the man who had built a narrow-but-clear edge in the 2012 race. In the wake of the debate, Democrats conceded that former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney had dominated the proceedings and quickly moved on to a deeper — and harder to answer — question: What the hell was wrong with the president?

Theories abound — up to an including that Obama, who had done debate prep in Las Vegas, struggled to adjust to Denver’s altitude. (Not kidding. That is a theory espoused by none other than former Vice President Al Gore.)

Below we take on a few of the likeliest reasons for Obama’s out-of-character performance — culled from conversations with Democratic strategists and our own observations. * He’s not used to being challenged: For all of the chatter that President Obama loves to surround himself with people willing to disagree with him, the truth of the matter is that being the leader of the free world means that what you say goes pretty much all the time. And, being challenged by staff — no matter how senior those staff might be — is not the same thing as being directly confronted by someone at your level and who wants your job.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012debates; narcissism; narcissistinchief; npd; obama; obamasnewclothes; presidentialdebate; romney
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To: oldbrowser

Maybe he had a hangover from too much of his god-awful beer.


101 posted on 10/04/2012 2:06:40 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: FredZarguna
Romney is extremely competent, a real CEO. I'm impressed beyond belief , seeing the real Romney. I too was brainwashed to some extent by the media and the freepers here who constantly slandered Mitt. NONE of what these propagandists said was true. What I saw of Romney was the complete oppossite of what the media and these freeper bashers of Romney said.

That the media can create a false reality a false Romney a false Obama shows that they are creating a total false reality for us and that they the media rule us completely because they create the universe we live in. If the media were truthfull then we wouldn't have any problems nor the growing government we have. the media controls us and has caused 99% of the problems we have.

103 posted on 10/04/2012 2:13:34 PM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: duckman
Axelrod can ‘polish’ zero’s style all he wants.

Well, Mythbusters DID prove that you CAN "polish a turd."

Mark

104 posted on 10/04/2012 2:23:26 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Elsie

I wear a brown scapular, don’t eat meat or fish on Fridays and go discalced (barefoot)and prone when in Adoration before the Host.

Can we drop the Mormon nitpicking oddity routine and just concentrate on the serious nature of this countries ills?


105 posted on 10/04/2012 2:29:57 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: sanjuanbob

I thought he was sooooo boring. Blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.

When it was his turn, my eyes glazed over—he wouldn’t shut up.....


106 posted on 10/04/2012 2:31:15 PM PDT by BelleAl (Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I read somewhere that Lehrer gave Barry four more minutes than Romney. That did not help him; it just let him ramble and get deeper in the weeds.


107 posted on 10/04/2012 2:38:15 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SMARTY
None of them made any sense and just regurgitated the crap in their socialist professors spewed and the crap they were all reading.

Oh, how I wish I could get a peek at Barry's college records.

108 posted on 10/04/2012 2:39:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Democrat_media

Any political baggage is going to revolve around his slick performance which may not have wowed voters who don’t trust him and lack of absolutely any connection with “real” people. Obviously Romney is extremely competent. That isn’t even open to dispute. He is a two time Harvard grad, private sector CEO work horse with the management credentials of a self-made gazillionaire.


109 posted on 10/04/2012 2:50:38 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: FredZarguna
He wasn't a crazy person, a dimwit, an extremist or a bomb-thrower. He was a charming man of humility, intelligence, humor and common sense.

Very nice description of Reagan.

110 posted on 10/04/2012 2:59:36 PM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: mandaladon

Obama sucks! Bad!

111 posted on 10/04/2012 3:06:30 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: mandaladon

I think he got intimidated by Romney. Obama didn’t really START bad as everyone is suggesting. He came with his usual stuff but right away he was blown away by Romney’s directness, knowledge, and assertiveness. It was like a football team who was favored to win getting the ball first and getting completely flattened on their first three plays from scrimmage. It’s like “uh oh, what are we up against? They came to play and they are hitting hard, ouch!”

It was amazing to see Obama physically wilt under Mitt’s alpha-dogness. Obama is used to old white guys saying yes to him and getting on their knees. But Mitt had him looking down, around, stammering, chuckling nervously, and crying for help looking at the moderator with doe eyes.

Obama came to win but immediately got it taken to him and he folded.


112 posted on 10/04/2012 3:09:01 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: mandaladon

Because he underestimated Romney and overestimated himself.


113 posted on 10/04/2012 3:14:15 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: mandaladon

I’d rather say the Dick Syndrome...but you can have the last word.


114 posted on 10/04/2012 3:24:53 PM PDT by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: GnL
I always heard he was a master debator.

You weren't listening carefully.

He's a master bator.

115 posted on 10/04/2012 3:40:23 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: mandaladon

No teleprompter.

Plus he’s been golfing and getting high all week.


116 posted on 10/04/2012 3:41:36 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: mandaladon
Imagine Johnny Carson in Heaven, doing comedy routines for the angels.



(applause, laughter, feathers rustling...)...yes...ha! ha!..yes...well, let me tell you, the folks down on Earth, the folks on old Terra Firma are all wondering. Just why Mister Obama, that is, President Obama, did so badly in the debates last night. (angelic murmurs and laughter)...Yes, that's right, he didn't do very well, from what I understand...(angelic hoots and cat calls)...yes, I heard he didn't do very well, it was hard for me to tell because my celestial cable is on the fritz...I mean, I went next door, to Saint Peter's house, to see if I could watch it on his flat screen, but he was watching reruns of Deadliest Catch, and you know how he is about that program...(laughter)... I heard the last guy that interrupted his favorite show, is still working a crab boat on the Lake of Fire. (laughter, applause)

Yes...you have to be careful with Peter. So, I didn't see much of the debate. The only time I had any reception, was when I got to see Michelle Obama's face. Let me tell you. Wow. (angels murmuring, laughing) I mean, I saw a happier look on the face of the guardian angel that found out he was assigned to protect Bill Maher. (laughter, boos) Yeah. Scary. So, I didn't see all of the debate. But I heard the devil did. (angels booing) Oh yes, I heard Satan watched ALL of the debate. Boy, did he get mad. (angel shouts "good!") Oh, yeah. He was steamed. When I say the Devil was steaming, I mean he was literally steaming. You know, if you're stuck in hell, you don't want to see the Devil steam. I mean, hell may be hot, but at least it's a dry heat. ( polite angelic laughter...johnny delivers his 'hangdog' look, then begins shuffling as the band plays 'tea for two'...angels whistling and clapping)

Well...ha! ha!...as I was saying...ha!..."El Diablo" did catch the debate, and he was furious. Simply furious. And he immediately, he immediately placed a call down to Personnel, in hell. That's right. Hell Personnel. And if you think hell is bad, wait till you see who has to work in the basement. (angels laughing) I'll tell you, I wouldn't have wanted to be the demon that picked up that phone call. No way. And I heard Satan demanded, demanded to know who was in charge of hiring such an idiot, to be his anti-Christ.

Well, he finally got to speak to the demon in charge, the guy who decided to hire Barack Obama to be the anti-Christ. And do you know, the guy tried to blame it on affirmative action? (uproar of angelic laughter) That's right, I heard that guy is now in charge of the pit of fire they call Extra Crispy... he has an asbestos desk right in the middle of it. (angels laughing and carrying on) Oh, yeah. No kidding. I heard Satan was so disappointed, he even asked God for a "do-over". But the Big Guy told him, "hey, I let them pick a mormon bishop to be your competition, how much help do you need?" (angels rolling in the aisles laughing, cries of i love you Johnny!...johnny carson swings imaginary golf club as band plays)

117 posted on 10/04/2012 3:42:16 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Sacajaweau

That was my first thought, too: he doesn’t want to win. He wants out, but can’t quit...he has to lose.


119 posted on 10/04/2012 4:16:03 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: mandaladon
The answer: Because Christians prayed in Jesus Holy Name, The LORD bound the power of the enemy from manifesting itself in lies through Obama. He was not able to draw upon the wicked one for help. He was on his own.
120 posted on 10/04/2012 4:18:28 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: svcw

“mormons can have caffeine ...”

That NEW to LDS. Romney would have grown up when caffeine wasn’t allowed, and most older LSD just never made the switch when it became legal. (as a total java junkie, I think it’s a good idea)


121 posted on 10/04/2012 4:22:15 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

That may be true with Romney, I don’t know.
My uncle a mormon bishop popped Excedrin because it has caffeine but that started in the mid ‘70s.
I know lots of non mormon people who avoid caffeine, so who knows.


122 posted on 10/04/2012 4:24:49 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: mandaladon

No substance in his thoughts to make up for the absence of a teleprompter.


123 posted on 10/04/2012 4:30:55 PM PDT by reasonisfaith
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To: GnL

I always heard he was a master debator.
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I think he once worked a while one Summer on a charter fishing boat in Hawaii. That’s where he learned to be a master baiter.


124 posted on 10/04/2012 5:14:14 PM PDT by octex
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To: MayflowerMadam

Thank you Mam!!!

LLS


125 posted on 10/04/2012 5:25:56 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: muawiyah
The problem with Obama is that he's stupid.

Stupid. And arrogant.

A deadly combination...

126 posted on 10/04/2012 6:19:01 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: JediJones
It’s clear Obama was not prepared to match Romney on recitation of memorized details.

And he won't be getting ready. He's too lazy, too far behind the curve, and too stupid.

127 posted on 10/04/2012 6:23:50 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: Viennacon
He's been handed everything his entire life. By his own admission, he spent most of his high school years "stoned out of my mind." He somehow gets into Harvard (where are the transcripts). The MSM handed him the 2008 election to the Presidency without the usual vetting behooving one seeking that august office.

Their lividness that Lehrer remained passive and didn't do anything to help this ongoing affirmative action narrative that is the life of Barack Obama is understandable: take away something from someone that they've grown accustomed to having, and they protest.

Sununu had it right: Obama is lazy. He's never had to work for anything, and he's never lost. Others have always carried him.

What's new this time is, for perhaps the first time in his life, he must take responsibility.

128 posted on 10/04/2012 6:27:35 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: colorado tanker
My daughter noticed he never took notes to organize his thoughts to respond to Romney. He doesn't even know how to debate.

Maybe 0 can't write.

We know he can't keep dates straight, either (like in England).

129 posted on 10/04/2012 6:31:01 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Tuanedge
SNL had many debate moments crystalized in comedy lore.

1. George H.W. Bush (Dana Carvey) was asked a question by a reporter (Jan Hooks) which he answered with "Stay the course, a thousand points of lights." Hooks then says "You have another minute and 30 seconds. Bush/Carvey repeats "To summarize, stay the course, a thousand points of light." Hooks says "You still have another minute." And on it goes.

2. Al Gore (Darryl Hammond) huffs and puffs, interrupts, and repeatedly says "lockbox." My favorite line was when the moderator (Chris Parnell) asks a question of George W. Bush (Will Ferrell) and Gore/Hammond says "I'd like to answer that question as if it were directed to me."

I'd think that a safe mocking of Obama on Saturday will be his quibbling with Jim Lehrer over his remaining 5 seconds.

-PJ

130 posted on 10/04/2012 6:44:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't I naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: Bellflower

Amen!


131 posted on 10/04/2012 8:18:33 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!)
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To: mandaladon

His first debates were with McCain who said he was a nice guy and handed him the election. The media protected him all these long destructive 4 years and now he has dirt under his nails and Romney to debate. How can he defend his record and his lies? How can he say he can do great things when he has destroyed so much for 4 years? All he can do is stand there and hang his head and toss out a few old worn out lines.


132 posted on 10/04/2012 8:28:20 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

nobama is a loser community organizer. nobama is an affirmative action equal opportunity fraud. nobama should be in prison.


133 posted on 10/04/2012 8:31:52 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Aria

The bill included funding for the troops in Iraq, so essentially the radical Barack Obama trumped the compassionate Barack Obama (or he was so badly read up on the issue that he didn’t know that the aid for NO was included). I think the speech was in part to protect himself from possible backlash of his stand among the black community.


134 posted on 10/04/2012 9:22:16 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

That makes sense. Thanks!


135 posted on 10/04/2012 9:36:14 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: mandaladon

As John Sununnu said on MSNBC today “Obama is lazy and detached.”


136 posted on 10/04/2012 9:49:25 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: muawiyah

Obama is like the welfare cheat who knows 1001 ways to game the system. He’s “smart” in a calculating, scheming type of way, but because his every brain cell is oriented toward “Me Me Me, I I I”, he’s as dumb as a stump and easily manipulated.

And like the lazy cheats who pride themselves over the amount on their EBT cards or the minutes on their Obamaphones or the loot they can steal from the minimart or the mall, Obama the self-centered “genius” is enslaved in chains of bondage by his enormous ego, greed, and sociopathic detachment from the rights of others. IOW, what a dumbazz, what a maroon.


137 posted on 10/04/2012 10:26:48 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: jtal
I’m not a huge fan of Romney, but I am thinking he is the first opponent O has ever faced that could articulate traditional American ideas in the face of his Marxism.

Hopefully this election cycle, we can have the debate about how Marxism and its ideological ilk (socialism, communism, etc.) are false, corrosive philosophies which destroy both freedom and prosperity.

Romney may be an imperfect messenger, but he's off to a great start with this debate. Maybe enough Americans can be awakened to the fact that authoritarian collectivism and welfare state dependency are fundamentally incompatible with core American values and ideals, and destructive to prosperity as well.

Who'd a thunk it?

138 posted on 10/04/2012 10:47:13 PM PDT by sargon
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To: mandaladon
the author is repeating a MSM lie a narrow-but-clear edge in the 2012 ...
139 posted on 10/04/2012 11:44:53 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: GnL
Really? I always heard he was a master debator.

We heard it from the LSM, the same people that told us Reagan was a buffoon and and Bush II was a dummy.

He is quick with the quips and "outline's", but when you can't speak to a group of children without TOTUS, there is a problem. I will also admit that he can read a great speech, but look at some of Reagan's stuff on you-tube, that man was an orator/ communicator.

140 posted on 10/05/2012 2:18:41 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: Ezekiel

He’s more stupid than that.


141 posted on 10/05/2012 4:26:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: OpusatFR
Can we drop the Mormon nitpicking oddity routine and just concentrate on the serious nature of this countries ills?

This countries 'ills' are sin, Sin and SIN!

No amount of political maneuvering is going to solve that.

I'll leave MORMONism's 'oddites' alone and go on to it's heresies; if that is ok with you; for YOU are about to elect a man who FULLY believes and teaches others - MORMONism.



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

142 posted on 10/05/2012 5:41:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: OpusatFR
I wear a brown scapular, don’t eat meat or fish on Fridays and go discalced (barefoot)and prone when in Adoration before the Host.

Your piety is commendable; but WHY are you SILENT about false teachings?

143 posted on 10/05/2012 5:43:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ramcat; FredZarguna
He was a charming man of humility, intelligence, humor and common sense.

And yet is DECEIVED by the lies of MORMONism.

144 posted on 10/05/2012 5:45:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: over3Owithabrain
...he was blown away by Romney’s directness, knowledge, and assertiveness.

So true!

145 posted on 10/05/2012 5:46:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorado tanker
Oh, how I wish I could get a peek at Barry's college records.

Don't wwe ALL!

And yet, there are those on FR who appear to NOT want to know things about Romney and HIS beliefs.

146 posted on 10/05/2012 5:47:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tuanedge
... I heard Satan demanded, demanded to know who was in charge of hiring such an idiot, to be his anti-Christ.

And a tembling Wormwood wannabe said, "Boss! Do NOT worry; for we got an even SLICKER guy waiting in the wings!"

You'd better be right THIS time; or you're gonna get cast into...

147 posted on 10/05/2012 5:55:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EDINVA; Scoutmaster
Romney would have grown up when caffeine wasn’t allowed...

Huh?

Got any documentation about that?

Any HISTORY behind it?

148 posted on 10/05/2012 5:56:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EDINVA; Scoutmaster
Romney would have grown up when caffeine wasn’t allowed...

What we DO know; is that Mitt 'grew up' when BLACKS were REALLY in trouble with MORMONism's god; but he changed his mind when Romeny was 32 years old.


To whom it may concern...

149 posted on 10/05/2012 6:00:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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The problem with Obama is that he's stupid.
150 posted on 10/05/2012 6:08:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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