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To: muawiyah
Stating that God created the stars says nothing about their placement, apparent age, velocity (*Relativity and "no true inertial frame" notwithstanding*), or any light coming from the stars.

It's analogous to the old saw about taking the picture of a man rudely shoving an old lady, which looks bad until the rest of the cropped photo is seen, which reveals that he was pushing her out of the way of a speeding bus.

The pic we have of the universe is merely a snapshot in geologic or cosmological terms, but it is even smaller and even less indicative of truth when compared to eternity and all of God's possible choices for how he might have made the universe look (think for example of the Microsoft 3.1 "look and feel" vs. a 2012 iPhone...and now imagine all you have is a black and white photo of a portion of each one's screen, with no other information.)

Cheers!

104 posted on 10/09/2012 9:02:14 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Imagine for a second that the stars are not actually broadcasting but instead are simply a construct inside a sort of hologram that's of ~ as far as we can measure ~ unlimited size.

You could easily find the stars are not at all where they are supposed to be if you hopped over where you couldn't quite catch one of the 12 dimensions projecting their image (takes 12 separate images to create a 3D object in a 3D hologram).

That would put the old time religionists and their nearby Heaven with a really personal God right back in business wouldn't it.

Except you jumped the track there that's where I was going ~ that today's Creationists don't hold a candle to their progenitors who really did think the universe ~ their universe ~ was an awful lot smaller. In fact, back in the day a modern Creationist would probably find himself tarred, feather, ridden out of town on a rail, and then burned as a witch for blasphemy.

107 posted on 10/10/2012 7:31:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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