Biden: 'My Religion Defines My Life;' Pope: 'There Is a Grave & Clear Oblig to Oppose' Leg Abortion

CNS News ^ | October 12, 2012 | Terence P. Jeffrey

[stanne]

They ARE expelled from their Church. The Pope says it and he is quoted in this thread.

Joe Biden cannot receive Communion without incurring more and more grave sin. He knows this, he learned it in 2nd grade during Communion prep class. This doesn’t change - it hasn’t in two thousand (2000) years and it’s not going to change now, no matter how many president, doctors and Supreme Court Justices say it has changed.

The difference we Americans have is that when we are banned from something legally,, we have police to enforce it. In the Chuch ew Have God to answer to. No amount of anything a bishop could do, if it were a democratic organization, can not trump what God does on the big Day.

Biden knows this and so do all Catholics.

[LibLieSlayer]

Hey joe... YOU WILL FACE CHRIST ONE DAY... and HE will not be debating you.

LLS

[stanne]

The kids with whom I was watchin g the debate, were so confused at Ryan’s non confrontational manner on this.

That’s easy, though. The debate is not the time and place for it.

[stanne]

“Ave Maria”. Yep.

[Ditter]

I didn't expect Ryan to confront Biteme on his behavior but I did expect him to look at the audience and either wink or groan or smirk. Some facial expression to let them know he thought Biteme was making a fool out of himself. Maybe make that little sign where you twirl your finger around on the side of your head and cross your eyes when you think someone is crazy. Yeah, that would have been disrespectful but Biteme deserved it!

[stanne]

I know. Hate to be a Polyanna, but Ryan did his job, which was to not screw anything up.

My handicap has him way above Biden, a seasoned smarmy politician who could have minced him on the abortion question, but couldn’t, as Ryan didn’t bite.

Half, if not more, Catholics do not understand this problem. They think the way Biden does. Ryan knows it.

[A.A. Cunningham]

The Catholic Church's teaching is not only that abortion is always wrong,

Correction: The Catholic Church's teaching is not only that direct abortion is always wrong,

[afraidfortherepublic]

The kids with whom I was watchin g the debate, were so confused at Ryan’s non confrontational manner on this.

This wasthe only part of the debate where I was disappointed with Ryan. The only thing that I can offer is that perhaps he was tired by then because it was so near to the end of the debate. I have heard Ryan proclaim the rights of the unborn much more vigorously on ohr occasions. I figure that he was worn down by Joe's antics by then and eager to get to his closing statement, which was very strong.

[stanne]

He just can’t champion the unborn in that forum. And, as Mark Twain put it, “Do not argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I think all Ryan could do was get in and out of there without making a mess. He did a great job in that respect.

And Biden is an idiot.

[Mygirlsmom]

I didn't expect Ryan to confront Biteme on his behavior but I did expect him to look at the audience and either wink or groan or smirk. Some facial expression to let them know he thought Biteme was making a fool out of himself. Maybe make that little sign where you twirl your finger around on the side of your head and cross your eyes when you think someone is crazy. Yeah, that would have been disrespectful but Biteme deserved it!

Would not have been Presidential. However, he DID handle it and brilliantly...."Mr. Vice President - I know you're under duress......"

[The Great RJ]

Biden, like Ted Kennedy, can evoke his Catholicism when ever it suits him politically, yet hypocritically support abortion contrary to the Church's teachings. Perhaps Biden needs a call from the likes of Cardinal Dolan to set him straight.

I was always galled by Ted Kennedy getting a full Catholic funeral despite being a staunch supporter of abortion and a moral reprobate. I think the Church would have been better not to give him a funeral to publicly demonstrate his self chosen excommunication.

[Ditter]

I heard some news person commenting on the word “duress” and said he should have chosen another word. I don’t remember the reason they gave.

[NYer]

Then why does he politely look away when his pro-abort colleagues promote abortion, even "late-term" abortion ("late-term" murder). Why does he turn away from his boss's own pro-abort beliefs, in the land where babies are mistakes?

In 1984, Mario Cuomo pioneered the argument that one may be “personally opposed” to abortion while supporting abortion rights.

Ever since, this convenient locution has become a staple for countless Democratic politicians, particularly Catholic ones. It is Vice President Joe Biden’s view and was Senator John Kerry’s stance when he ran for president in 2004.

Cuomo’s argument was a mess. For instance, in order to buttress his argument, he touted the (alleged) refusal of American Catholic bishops to forcefully denounce slavery. The bishops “weren’t hypocrites; they were realists,” Cuomo explained. They offered a “measured attempt to balance moral truths against political realities.”

So, ultimately, we have Mario Cuomo to thank, in part, for the rationale many catholics use when they vote for the democrats.

[afraidfortherepublic]

I think all Ryan could do was get in and out of there without making a mess. He did a great job in that respect.

And Biden is an idiot.

You are 100% right!

[ex-snook]

Help.

"The actual position of the Catholic Church is that any law legalizing the killing of an unborn child is an unjust law that violates the natural law and is, therefore, no law at all. Vice President Biden’s church teaches that it is not acceptable even to obey such laws let alone support them as part of a political campaign."

But then if the law did not legalize abortion who commits the crime and what should be the penalty?

[EggsAckley]

“Leg Abortion....?”

[ottbmare]

OK, here’s a question on ethics for all of us:

We all know that Biden has a history of saying very unwise things, that he seems not to be able to remember the official line of the Administration, and that there are YouTube videos showing him speaking and acting in a way that makes him appear to be drunk. We also know that he has had brain surgery.

After that debate the other night, my clinical spidey-sense started tingling. Inappropriate affect—which is to say, the display of bizarre emotional responses—is one of the first symptoms of dementia. As I saw Biden laughing at the prospect of a nuclear Iran blowing Israel off the map, I wondered if we were seeing dementia. I understand that he’s never been a bright man and that he was a sell-out, a lib, and a hypocrite long before he had any brain problems, but this is getting worse. He’s nuts.

Last night the John Batchelor show had a professor of psychiatry from Stanford who said much the same thing. He cited Biden’s long history of what he called “inadequate reality testing” (self-deception) and inappropriate emotional displays, and he too concluded that something organic is going on with Biden.

So the question is: to what extent do we think a man with early dementia and some kind of organic brain damage is really responsible for his words and decisions? If he speaks and behaves in a hypocritical fashion about his Catholic faith, incurring strong words from Catholic bishops, I’m kind of starting to wonder if he’s just too brain-damaged to know what he’s doing.

What is the sense of the forum on this?

[NYer]

So the question is: to what extent do we think a man with early dementia and some kind of organic brain damage is really responsible for his words and decisions?

One additional "we also know" - that Obama and Biden are protected by the mainstream media and they can do no wrong.

Biden is one heartbeat away from becoming president. I truly believe that those who tuned into the VP debate may well have reflected on that notion. Those who missed it, have seen enough extracts on various news programs to draw the same conclusion. We need to have faith in the American people. We're not fools and the days when the media could pull the wool over our eyes, are long gone. Two more debates and then it's on to victory!

[NYer]

The kids with whom I was watchin g the debate, were so confused at Ryan’s non confrontational manner on this.

Gretchen Carlson offered some insight into this behavior on the Friday edition of Fox & Friends. Like Paul Ryan, she is also a midwesterner. She said that his behavior is typical of how midwesterners are raised - to show politeness.

I have heard Ryan proclaim the rights of the unborn much more vigorously on ohr occasions.

Recall that between Biden and Martha Raddatz, he was constantly interrupted. Biden's mannerisms were so distracting that many viewers missed some very important points made by Ryan. From the transcript:

RYAN: And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. This board, by the way, it's 15 people, the president's supposed to appoint them next year. And not one of them even has to have medical training. And Social Security? If we don't shore up Social Security, when we run out of the IOUs, when the program goes bankrupt, a 25 percent across-the-board benefit cut kicks in on current seniors in the middle of their retirement. We're going to stop that from happening.

I hope Romney has an opportunity to drive those points home in one of the upcoming debates.

[NYer]

But then if the law did not legalize abortion who commits the crime and what should be the penalty?

Were there no law, then the crime would be murder.