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The people who put this study together must be smoking crack. You can be middle class and live in NYC if you want squeeze your family into a small 2 bedroom apartment or split level.
1 posted on 10/22/2012 4:15:46 AM PDT by C19fan
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Maybe they’re including the 5 boroughs


2 posted on 10/22/2012 4:19:06 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere. So no need to factor in auto insurance or maintenance costs. That makes every thing else more affordable. In the suburbs and rural American private transportation is simply a must of course.


3 posted on 10/22/2012 4:21:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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They have to be on something. Their list of the 10 cheapest is utterly delusional.


4 posted on 10/22/2012 4:23:27 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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Anacostia and SE DC is real “affordable”, just not real livable unless you like McDonalds with armed guards


5 posted on 10/22/2012 4:24:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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The only bit of utility and truth here is the info concerning that which the overlords think is the best for the peons and peasants......


8 posted on 10/22/2012 4:34:10 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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If you don’t mind trading quality of life, I’m sure there’s plenty of neighborhoods in DC, Cinci, Detroit, etc. that are more than affordable.


10 posted on 10/22/2012 4:37:38 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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"The most affordable city, according to the study, was Washington, DC, which is another notoriously expensive place to live."

Could be, but you need to have bars on your windows, the police have no obligation to respond even if you call them multiple times (Warren v. District of Columbia) and it's illegal to defend yourself.

Like New York, it's possible to live quite well in DC. It just takes a lot more money than most of us in the 99% have.

13 posted on 10/22/2012 4:46:40 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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Total BS. I lived in NYC for 22 years, and left in 2011. Here’s what I can relate to anyone thinking that this article depicts any semblance of reality:

1. Highest state taxes (marginal rate).
2. High local NYC tax (approaches 4%, on top of the state tax).
3. High sales tax of 8.875%.
4. Very high property taxes if you own. I paid $18K per year on my 1600 sq ft apartment.
5. If you own, very high maintenance fees. I paid $20K per year.
6. Incredibly high rents (1500 sq ft apartment in Manhattan = $5K-7K per month)
7. Incredibly high food prices, I would estimate almost 2X the national average in price.
8. Average to poor public schools, and very neighborhood-dependent. If you want to live in a neighborhood with a good school you play commensurately more in rent/cost to buy your living space. The price of private schools is astronomically high: average kindergarten tuition in Manhattan is now $36,500.
9. An extensive transit system that takes you anywhere, but incredibly CROWDED and unpleasant, and most commutes are over 30 minutes and many over an hour, especially if you live in the outer boroughs.
10. Very small living spaces, as everyone already knows. A family of 4 is literally on top of each other and with little to no storage space.

NYC is for single people (of all ages), and wealthy retirees who need less space. NYC is not for a family that makes less than $500,000 (and some would increase that number to $1 million). Most of your income goes to a government entity for at least half the year. After that point, you’re just trying to keep your head above water paying bills (utilities, tuition, etc.), rent/mortgage, maintenance fees, and groceries.


21 posted on 10/22/2012 5:12:25 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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This is nonsense. Those high median incomes are coming to a screeching halt: layoffs, salary cuts, and bonus cuts at the major banks are accelerating. That will work its way through the entire financial industry. As another indicator, property values in the region are still coming down. NEW YORK CITY GOT THE BIG BAILOUT. Now the money is gone.


23 posted on 10/22/2012 5:21:29 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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Tampa has been dominated by dimocrat-controlled city government at least since the ‘80’s. Bob Martinez was the last Republican mayor while Reagan was in office. The entire city council are dimocrats.


24 posted on 10/22/2012 5:24:28 AM PDT by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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I have several (formerly) liberal friends from college that used to live in NYC. They thought NYC was the center of the universe and couldn’t contemplate living elsewhere.

Then they got jobs. Then they got transferred. One to Rochester, NY, the other two to the north-central NJ suburbs.

Now, they tell me, “what was I thinking?” And now they’re concerned about government spending.


27 posted on 10/22/2012 6:16:54 AM PDT by kidd
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Sounds like a paid advertisement for rent controls and subsidy.


31 posted on 10/22/2012 6:47:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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No way would I live in any of their most affordable. NYC, D.C., San Francisco? No way.


32 posted on 10/22/2012 6:47:10 AM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the time of no return?)
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