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To: stormhill
It's encouraging that a black child can be so clearheaded in rejecting the Kool-aid.

I wish American adults, including some conservatives that frequent here, were as clearheaded, period.

Because sitting this election out, or voting for a 3rd party candidate, is anything but clearheaded. The reality is that either of those actions is a vote for Obama. So quit hiding behind that "conscience" excuse.

18 posted on 10/30/2012 9:42:00 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
It's encouraging that a black child can be so clearheaded in rejecting the Kool-aid.

The reason for injecting race into this discussion is that whites don't support Obama to the tune of 98%. Any departure from the plantation is unusual enough to be noteworthy.

You might not appreciate the terrific pressure we live under; despite a lifetime of effort to help them overcome the propaganda, my own kids have grown up to support the dems. That a child half their age is able to see through the fog is heartwarming to me.

27 posted on 10/31/2012 1:13:39 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: Robert DeLong
Because sitting this election out, or voting for a 3rd party candidate, is anything but clearheaded. The reality is that either of those actions is a vote for Obama. So quit hiding behind that "conscience" excuse.

Hm, what sort of a person would rally against voting on one's conscience? What does it say about the cause that you are trying to promote?
It is my estimation that those who say "quit hiding behind conscience" are themselves being condemned by their own conscience -- sin always likes the excuse of "everybody else does it."

But let's take a look at what you're saying:
First, you say that any 3rd party vote is a vote for Obama, thereby implying that on 3rd party vote is either valid nor valuable.
Second, your assertion that they're all votes for Obama is implicitive that only the other main-party candidate is both viable and different... but is it the case that the Republican Party is actually different from the Democrat party; let's look at its reputation, stated planks and the near abysmal failure of the party to pursue them:

  1. Gun rights; the Republican party has a reputation of being "pro-second amendment" -- yet what have they done to even attempt repeal of the GCA or NFA which are blatant violations thereof -- no they get points for literally doing nothing and letting the sunset-clause of the Assault Weapons Ban take effect.
  2. Abortion; since the mid-eighties the Republican party has stated that it wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, yet it has consistently done nothing on this issue. (The one exception I'm aware of is the partial birth abortion ban; this is an anomalous event though, not some incremental approach.)
    • Also note how the 2012 convention added a no exception [to the cases of rape and incest and health of the mother] clause to the platform...
    • and promptly nominated someone who says "of course I support exceptions for rape and incest." [link]
    • Note also that [societally] these exceptions are insidious the "rape and incest" exceptions leverage emotional response against outlawing abortion, while "health of the mother" is meant [in practice] to be at will.
  3. Fiscal Responsibility; why don't we have budgets proposed which actually pay off our national debt?
  4. Government accountability; one phrase typifies and painfully illustrates the Republican acceptance and aid of government wrongdoing: Fast & Furious.
  5. The Bill of Rights; yet the War on Drugs has been the single most destructive collection of policies [WRT the Bill of Rights] in the nation's history -- just look at the state of the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th, amendments -- and this is all based on a grotesque reading of the commerce clause.
    • 4th -- the actual requirement that warrants be obtained upon 'probable cause' has now been altered such that 'probable cause' is an exception for requiring a warrant; further, the commonality of "no knock" raids shows that 'unreasonable' is not a factor in SWAT usage and given the regularity of "wrong house" leads us to...
    • 5th -- the SWAT can kill and maim people in their no knock raids with little, if any, repercussion...
    • 6th -- the jury is automatically tainted if drugs can be said to be involved.
    • 8th -- the prison sentences are vastly out of proportion to the actual [convicting] crime committed.
  6. Small[er] Government; when was the last time a Republican pushed for the wholesale dissolution of a [major] government agency? I know Reagan wanted to get rid of the Dept of Education, but that's before my time.
So, I think it can be safely stated that the Republican party is all talk and little to no action.
Why then should I vote for a candidate of the Republican Party based on his membership thereof?

I should not, and that leaves only the candidate himself to earn my vote.
So, why should I vote for Romney? He's pro-abortion, even if you accept his "conversion to 'pro-life'"*.
Why should I vote for Romney? He's a Fabian Socialist, I don't want to vote for Socialists.
Why should I vote for Romney? He's a Statist, there's nothing I've herd him say "that's not the government's job" on.
Why should I vote for Romney? He's got a reputation for talking through both sides of his mouth. Why should I vote for Romney? He's got no solid values. Why should I vote for Romney? He's done nothing to inspire confidence he'll be better than Obama.


* -- In that he accepts exceptions which are the killing of the child for the sin of the parent.

34 posted on 10/31/2012 9:28:35 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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