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Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
IFB ^ | 11/7/12

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obama’s radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big… and indeed he has.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt “diss’d” being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.

Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nation’s ideology and culture.

Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Romney's evangelical support equaled Bush's

WASHINGTON (BP) -- Republican nominee Mitt Romney won a larger percentage of the evangelical vote than did John McCain in 2008 and even equaled that of George W. Bush's 2004 percentage, according to an exit poll data analysis by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

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On the other hand, there are maps showing a swing away from Romney in the Deep South. Presumably some of those voters were Evangelicals.

701 posted on 11/08/2012 3:14:12 PM PST by x
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To: 1010RD

I can tell when the stupidity is obvious, such as in your case. How’s that hypothetical going? What happens to your hypothetical when we all die, and God asks us why we voted the way we did?


702 posted on 11/08/2012 3:15:18 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Mr Rogers
(Me) “And these aren’t just — as Mr Rogers implied — sermons from the 16th & 17th centuries...”

(You) I did NOT imply any such thing, although you seem content to lie about others.

OK, it's possible I misinterpreted whatever you meant in post #641, but I didn't "lie" -- it's right there for people to read...You said:

...sermons from the mid-1800s. You might want to think about what the Calvinists and Catholics did in the 1500s & 1600s, then.

703 posted on 11/08/2012 3:18:50 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

They’re proud they stopped Romney.
***You presume to know how they feel? How does the GOP-e feel when they push a liberal statist onto the electorate, knowing that it will cause a split in the base? Were they proud? Are they proud now?

At this point I’m not interested in how people did or did not vote. It’s IRRELEVANT and pointless to argue about it. Vote for whomever you want. It’s a free country.
***Then why did you ping the poster and say, “You’re right.” Your post is no different than all the other trolls who have been trying to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs on this conservative website.


704 posted on 11/08/2012 3:21:51 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

God: Kevmo why didn’t you try to stop Diocletian by voting against him. (no need for a question mark as God knows the answer)

Kevmo: I couldn’t discern between a killer of Christians and a Mormon.


705 posted on 11/08/2012 3:24:26 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Evangelicals who ignored Billy Grahams thinly veiled plea to vote for Romney ought to be ashamed.

HMMmm... I missed that part.

What I saw was an overt message to the collective to NOT vote a heretical MORMON into office!


the BIBLE...

biblical values...

Nope; that ain't a BoM in his hand!

706 posted on 11/08/2012 3:24:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JediJones

According to RCP’s election analysis, it wasn’t evangelicals who stayed home.
***And yet, that doesn’t stop a bunch of bigoted antichristian trolls from berating conservatives on this conservative website.


707 posted on 11/08/2012 3:25:14 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: 1010RD
Rule: Voting for someone else, not voting or voting for neither gives you Diocletian by default.

Well then, since O's total was down about 14-15 million from 2008; I guess you may claim THOSE as votes FOR romney!

708 posted on 11/08/2012 3:27:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1010RD

God:
Why did you post that thing to 1010RD?

Kevmo:
I’m sorry, God, but the stupidity was so overwhelming. Plus, he was involved with berating conservatives on a conservative website, he was being a troll.

God:
The problem is, we have so few trolls here in Heaven.

Kevin:
Maybe, dear Lord, you could grant them more brains?


709 posted on 11/08/2012 3:29:02 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Colofornian

Right there’s yer problem, son: trying to use LOGIC and FACTS to educate folks who are all emotioned up!

Ya gotta wait until the brat wears himself out in his tantrum, before you can EVER expect to get your point across.


710 posted on 11/08/2012 3:29:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A CA Guy
Those on the right who could have voted and stayed home are total scum.

What are your adjectives for those on the LEFT that stayed home?

711 posted on 11/08/2012 3:31:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo

As I said before, you have the right to vote for whomever you want. It’s a free country. To be honest, I was not happy when obama won, but I realize you can’t tell other people how to vote, and I’ve calmed down since the results came in on Tues.


712 posted on 11/08/2012 3:32:13 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Mr Rogers
Bitch all you want about the Mormon church.

Thank you!

713 posted on 11/08/2012 3:34:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
I did NOT imply any such thing, although you seem content to lie about others.

And just what LIE are you refering to?

If you have the audacity to ACCUSE someone; at least have the BALLS to show the evidence of your claim.

714 posted on 11/08/2012 3:35:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Good, conservative answer. Maybe you could handhold a few of your fellow travelers and get them to focus their ire where it belongs: on the GOP-E, not other conservatives.


715 posted on 11/08/2012 3:39:05 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

It’s probably just an emotional time right now, immediately after the election.


716 posted on 11/08/2012 3:43:18 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Kevmo

Kevmo: Maybe, dear Lord, you could grant them more brains?

God: No, Kevmo. Diocletian smashed the brains out of all the Christians. 1010RD will have to wait until my Coming when I’ll embrace him in his glorified body as he rises to meet me.


717 posted on 11/08/2012 3:46:10 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Kevmo: Maybe, dear Lord, You could grant them more brains?

God:
Then they wouldn’t be trolls.

Kevmo:
Oh, I see Your conundrum. I’m glad You’re in charge and not me.


718 posted on 11/08/2012 3:52:54 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: 1010RD

How is your brilliant hypothetical going? Any takers?


719 posted on 11/08/2012 3:55:15 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: A CA Guy
ANY politically right leaning person who either sat out or voted another party and allowed a communist Obama in deserves our total hatred and disgust IMO.

You go, CA Guy. Absolutely agree with you more than 1000%. Rush agrees with you, too. Caller today spoke same stupid language and Rush was speechless, then mystified, then said something like "can you believe these people?"

720 posted on 11/08/2012 4:01:33 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Mr Rogers
And just what LIE are you refering to?

Sorry; I didn't catch that more than one had been addressed in the To: box.

I thought I was being accused of lying about something.

721 posted on 11/08/2012 4:03:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yeah, and your denomination and every other claims to know the real word and intent of God. I’m sure that you believe that the KJV contains the real word of God, as written by an English king and his council. Martin Luther claimed to know the real path as well as many of his contemporaries during the Reformation. Just how was the KJV translated? Oh yeah, by men, not God, or did king James and/or his council regularly talk to God when they rewrote it.

Get a grip. What gives any pastor the intimate knowledge of God’s intent? Are they all prophets too?

If Jesus came down from heaven and ran for president I’m sure many so-called Christians would not vote for him because he was a Jew.

OK, the only true religion was founded at the rock when Christ told Peter to build his church upon that rock. If you are not Catholics then you are a member of a cult that was formed by a man (Luther or whomever).

If you want to live in a theocracy where those who lead you believe just as you do and you allow only believers like you to exist then find that country if you can and move there.

I prayed for guidance this morning; God told me that you are all cult followers and I’ll take my conversation with the Lord over your pastor’s.


722 posted on 11/08/2012 4:05:00 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: EnquiringMind

Well, then, we have another troll.

ANY politically right leaning person who either sat out or voted another party and allowed a communist Obama in deserves our total hatred and disgust IMO.
***Your opinion is a piece of CINO turd work. This is not a GOP website, it is a conservative website. Berating conservatives for not voting for a GOP statist is not being conservative. It is trolling. It would be suitable to do something like that on GOP.com, where it would not be trolling. But this is NOT GOP.com, and trashing other conservatives is trolling.

Anyone voting third party or who could but didn’t vote F’d the country over that night as I see it.
***Save your ire for the GOP-e who went out of their way to give us this POS statist candidate. They are the ones who screwed over this country, and focusing on them is the right thing to do. Focusing on other conservatives is the wrong thing to do. It is trolling. Stop being a troll.


723 posted on 11/08/2012 4:20:01 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: svcw
Now get off your butt work hard get wealthy and help the least of these

Of course just like Jesus and John the Baptist and the apostles did.

724 posted on 11/08/2012 4:39:08 PM PST by DungeonMaster (If a man will not work, then neither shall he eat.)
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To: RJS1950; Elsie
...God told me that you are all cult followers...

(RJS 3:16)

Kinda like Joe Smith's vision that ALL Christian sect members -- as in 100% -- were "corrupt"...and that 100% of Christian creeds were "an abomination"

Good we have such "visionaries" as Joe Smith and RJS

725 posted on 11/08/2012 4:48:23 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Kevmo
***Your opinion is a piece of CINO turd work. This is not a GOP website, it is a conservative website. Berating conservatives for not voting for a GOP statist is not being conservative. It is trolling. It would be suitable to do something like that on GOP.com, where it would not be trolling. But this is NOT GOP.com, and trashing other conservatives is trolling.

Right it's the GOP that is more evil than Obama. You are a freaking genius.

Focusing on other conservatives is the wrong thing to do.

When some conservatives show the brains of a rock, why not let them be accountable for their failures to this country? There is a time and place for being full of ones self; a Presidential election is rarely a good time to be cute and stupid with the use of a vote IMO.

So called conservatives that helped enable Democrats with stupid choices need to kind of grow up IMO.

This election may have really F'd up my child's future and if some stupid pure so-called conservative helped elect Obama, then I am going to rag on them. I am mad at those that didn't show who knew the election was on and choose to not elect a Mormon or non-perfect GOP over Obama. F them, I'm mad as hell at them as well as the takers that voted for Obama and I think I have every right to be.
What good is brains or a self called conservative if they have the discernment of a mental midget?

726 posted on 11/08/2012 5:20:15 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DungeonMaster

You aren’t Jesus or John the Baptist


727 posted on 11/08/2012 5:35:11 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: A CA Guy

Right it’s the GOP that is more evil than Obama. You are a freaking genius.
***First of all, that’s not what I said, so drop it with the straw argumentation. Second, the GOP stabs us in the back when we’re fightin’ the hordes. Obama is in front of us as the enemy. I’d rather fight an enemy in front of me than get stabbed in the back in betrayal.


728 posted on 11/08/2012 5:43:03 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: A CA Guy

When some conservatives show the brains of a rock, why not let them be accountable for their failures to this country?***Well, okay. YOU are showing the brains of a rock. YOU are acting like a troll, berating conservatives on a conservative website.

There is a time and place for being full of ones self; a Presidential election is rarely a good time to be cute and stupid with the use of a vote IMO.
***The presidential election is over.

So called conservatives that helped enable Democrats with stupid choices need to kind of grow up IMO.
***Even on this thread, it’s been shown that 78% of evangelicals voted for MR. So your berating evangelicals is a sign that you simply don’t like evangelicals, even though this is an evangelical website. Such behavior is properly identified as trolling. Quit being a troll. The presidential election is over, and it is your turn to grow up.


729 posted on 11/08/2012 5:48:02 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: A CA Guy

This election may have really F’d up my child’s future and if some stupid pure so-called conservative helped elect Obama,
***Dude, right there, you need to stop. It’s trolling. Conservatives who might not have turned out to vote were disenfranchised by the GOP-E, and your anger needs to be focused there. Focusing on conservatives, on a conservative (NOT A GOP) website, is trolling. If someone voted for Goode, it was a vote AGAINST Obama, so quit the trolling bowlsheet and do the right thing.

then I am going to rag on them. I am mad at those that didn’t show who knew the election was on and choose to not elect a Mormon or non-perfect GOP over Obama.
***Then go to GOP.com. This is not a GOP website. The GOP does not own the vote of freepers, especially if they don’t listen to conservatives. By sticking around here, you’re being a troll.

F them, I’m mad as hell at them as well as the takers that voted for Obama and I think I have every right to be.
***All of us are mad at the takers, but your vehement recriminations against conservatives is simply trolling behavior.

What good is brains or a self called conservative if they have the discernment of a mental midget?
***Then use your brains. This is a conservative website. Check. It is NOT a GOP website. Check. We are not beholden to ANY Political Party. Check. Berating conservatives on a conservative website is trolling. Check. How much damage have you done to conservatism by your trolling? Obama thanks you for the damage you’ve done. Check. The anger is properly focused on the midget brains that gave us this POS of a candidate. Check. You gonna use your brain, or are you gonna continue to troll?


730 posted on 11/08/2012 5:55:26 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
***Second, the GOP stabs us in the back when we’re fighting’ the hordes. Obama is in front of us as the enemy. I’d rather fight an enemy in front of me than get stabbed in the back in betrayal.

Thanks for proving my point. That lousy thinking is why many Christians, Jews and others who claim conservatism gave themselves the excuse to abdicate their responsibility to use their noodle when they vote. The non 57 million who who allowed Obama's election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.

731 posted on 11/08/2012 6:19:15 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Colofornian

It was satirical, fool.

All of this dogmatic, denominational, my belief or you’re going to hell attitude is exactly the reason why I do not follow any organized Christian denomination. Church denominations are contrivances of man and in every case man imposes their interpretation of what the true word of God is and how we must interpret the Gospels to attain salvation. The extremes and the intolerance of men have brought about the inquisition of both the Catholic church and the Protestant inquisitions, witch burnings where men determined who was a witch regardless of any previous piety and without any real proof. It has given us the flagellants, the persecution of Jews who poisoned the wells to cause the plague, the Millerites who went up to the mountain, several times, to await the second coming and countless other examples of man’s interpretation of God’s word or the meaning of the Gospels.

Do I believe in God, absolutely.
Do I believe in Christ, absolutely.
Do I believe in the lessons of the Gospels, Yes.
Do I believe that the old testament is the literal word of god and the only truth, absolutely NOT. It was passed on by word of mouth by man, written and rewritten by man, interpreted by many men and that goes on into the present.

Which of the denominations do I take as being the “true” meaning of God’s word? Yours, my neighbor’s? If I choose my neighbor’s then you might tell me that I am going to hell. If I choose yours then my neighbor might tell me I am going to hell.

I have had that happen, any number of times. Who are you to tell me, or anyone that your set of beliefs about God, Christ, the gospels, is the only true way to believe. I recall that some passage admonishes us that no man knows the mind of God and I certainly don’t believe that God talks directly to any fallable man, regardless of their piety.

Are you free to believe and worship as you please? Why, yes you are and you have that privilege in this country because of the freedoms given to us in the Constitution; for now. Those freedoms can be taken away from us by dictators and some of us because of our religious prejudices against other denominations failed to take any actions to vote for someone who would not be removing our freedoms. That is absurd, shows no regard for defending the Constitution and is sinful in that you as a man have decided to judge another’s religious beliefs and actions or proclaiming that they are not “true” Christians. It is not your place to make that judgement; that belongs to God alone.

By the way, it was the democrat dirt machine that early on started hammering away at the Romney-Mormon-cult theme. Interesting to see that so many Constitution loving conservatives fell into that trap. Then again, you and your denominations were already in that mindset, now weren’t you.

Rant away until judgement day if you like and ponder how God will judge your self-righteous beliefs and actions on that day.

Further discussion is like arguing with my dog about his peeing on the carpet. The dog’s mind is set and all the dog hears is blah blah blah spot blah blah. I’ve already wasted enough time and it won’t change the fact that some will potentially throw away their religious and other freedoms on the basis of their religious denominational prejudices. Good luck with that.


732 posted on 11/08/2012 6:26:21 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: svcw

So show me the biblical principle of trying to get rich, and then using it to help people.


733 posted on 11/08/2012 6:28:52 PM PST by DungeonMaster (If a man will not work, then neither shall he eat.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Well good luck to everyone on this thread. I only direct my displeasure to people in this election who abdicated going to the polls thereby giving us Obama.

I don’t claim they were all Christians, or Jews, or Martians; but somehow we had MILLIONS not vote giving Obama an enemy of this country the reigns, probably two Supreme Court picks and lots of Social Justice...

Those that were self righteous and ended up voting for a third party or stayed home IMO deserve a long walk on a short pier.
Those that fail to protect this country with the good use of their vote deserve nothing good from this country IMO, unfortunately they dragged us all down as well.

I don’t who all the groups were that abdicated their vote, but they can all drop (you-know-what). Good luck and God especially those 57 million or so.


734 posted on 11/08/2012 6:34:58 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Elsie
[roamer_1:] I am against Mormonism, but had he been true to what Mormons are out here in the west, I probably would have voted for him.

And what is that?

They can't even be 'true' to their own SCRIPTURE!!

Let me put it this way: Mormons are generally a very conservative and industrious people. I live among them and have many friends that are Mormon.

While I vehemently oppose Mormonism, I would have a hard time abstaining from voting for a conservative Mormon, strictly on the basis of his religion.

I am as outspoken against the Roman church hereon as you are against the Mormons - I get it. But it did not stop me from voting for Alan Keyes (twice)... And I consider the paganism of Rome to be far more deleterious to true religion toward YHWH.

I would also vote for a conservative Jew, even though we too would have some pretty big disagreements - but all of the above comport themselves well within the Judeo-Christian ethic... regardless of the differences.

That is not to say that all of the above are TRUE to Christian principle, and I would much prefer an Evangelical if possible.

And btw, I understand what D&C is... I am well versed in Mormonism... Which is precisely why I reject it whole cloth.

735 posted on 11/08/2012 7:12:30 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: A CA Guy; All
Those that were self righteous and ended up voting for a third party or stayed home IMO deserve a long walk on a short pier.

(He said as self righteously as he could muster)

Let's talk about "third party" for a moment...

Those who voted "third party" in Romney-won states, took no electoral votes away from him...
Those who voted "third party" in Obama-won states (not including Florida), even if you had the power to transfer ALL of those votes to Romney, Romney still would not have had enough votes to win any of those states.

That leaves Florida...Gary Johnson is the third party guy in FL that took votes from Romney...Romney is still in the FL race...but behind...IMO, most of the people who voted for Johnson didn't claim much of a conservative allegiance...Johnson is for homosexual civil unions, for example...

But even if all Johnson votes could be given to Romney, guess what? STILL not enough electoral votes for Romney countrywide for Romney to win POTUS.

He still loses.

So...third party votes had NO effect on the ultimate outcome of this race...

Your provocation is misplaced...

Instead of aiming it at the RINOs who gave us Romney, you blame the conservatives who are the very base of the party.

Well, no wonder more & more people are leaving the GoP; they don't see the GoP as an answer to the problem...just the problem lite.

736 posted on 11/08/2012 7:20:20 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: 1010RD

So you’re the deciding vote between Diocletian and Romney to rule your country. Who do you choose?

Rule: Voting for someone else, not voting or voting for neither gives you Diocletian by default.

Hint: this is a test of discernment.

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Your ‘rule’ is a logical fallacy. As I have explained MANY times, we don’t have a popular democracy, but an representative republic with an electoral college.

Secondly your proposal is also a logical fallacy as both are Diocletian.

It would be voting for Diocletian or Diocletian. FAIL.


737 posted on 11/08/2012 7:25:56 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: RJS1950

Your self assurance is stunning.

Your accurate perceptions even more so.


738 posted on 11/08/2012 7:28:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RJS1950
...some will potentially throw away their religious and other freedoms on the basis of their religious denominational prejudices.

You keep alluding to these, but never come right out and say what you are thinking.

I cannot comment rationally on some vague claims.

Give us a concrete example; would you please?

739 posted on 11/08/2012 7:32:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DungeonMaster
So show me the biblical principle of trying to get rich, and then using it to help people.

To whom much is given; much is required.

740 posted on 11/08/2012 7:33:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A CA Guy
Those that were self righteous and ended up voting for a third party or stayed home IMO deserve a long walk on a short pier.

What about the non self-righteous ones?

You want THEM dead; too?

741 posted on 11/08/2012 7:35:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: roamer_1
While I vehemently oppose Mormonism, I would have a hard time abstaining from voting for a conservative Mormon, strictly on the basis of his religion.

Since I've seen absolutely NO evidence that anyone has actually done this; I can't comment one way or the other.

But very many HAVE said they'd not vote for a follower of Islam; and based ONLY on their religion.

These bigots seem to get a pass from certain FR posters.

742 posted on 11/08/2012 7:38:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A CA Guy

Thanks for proving my point. That lousy thinking is why many Christians, Jews and others who claim conservatism gave themselves the excuse to abdicate their responsibility to use their noodle when they vote.
***Au contrare, Pierre. Christians seemed to have used their noodle and didn’t give in to the folks who sacrificed their principles on the altar of electability and worldiness. Christ said to be in the world, but not of it.

The non 57 million who who allowed Obama’s election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.
***Then trolls like you have no right to complain when they forfeited their right to fight against the GOP-E when the time was right. For instance, the time is right... right now. But you’re focused on pounding conservatives in a conservative forum, NOT EVEN A GOP FORUM. That makes you a troll. You should be voicing this garbage at GOP.com but instead, you’re doing it here at a conservative website.
You PREFER to be a troll on this forum.

The non 57 million who who allowed Obama’s election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.


743 posted on 11/08/2012 7:40:37 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: DungeonMaster

No. You made the claim Christians are to be poor - prove it


744 posted on 11/08/2012 7:46:23 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: A CA Guy

Thanks for proving my point. That lousy thinking is why many Christians, Jews and others who claim conservatism gave themselves the excuse to abdicate their responsibility to use their noodle when they vote.
***Au contrare, Pierre. Christians seemed to have used their noodle and didn’t give in to the folks who sacrificed their principles on the altar of electability and worldiness. Christ said to be in the world, but not of it.

The non 57 million who who allowed Obama’s election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.
***Then trolls like you have no right to complain when they forfeited their right to fight against the GOP-E when the time was right. For instance, the time is right... right now. But you’re focused on pounding conservatives in a conservative forum, NOT EVEN A GOP FORUM. That makes you a troll. You should be voicing this garbage at GOP.com but instead, you’re doing it here at a conservative website.
You PREFER to be a troll on this forum.

The non 57 million who who allowed Obama’s election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.


745 posted on 11/08/2012 7:47:20 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: RJS1950
It was satirical, fool.

(Thanx for the clarification)

All of this dogmatic, denominational, my belief or you’re going to hell attitude is exactly the reason why I do not follow any organized Christian denomination. Church denominations are contrivances of man and in every case man imposes their interpretation of what the true word of God is and how we must interpret the Gospels to attain salvation.

But ya need to understand that 99.999% of intercommunication 'tween varied denominational Christians that I've seen has no references to judgment & hell-fire, as if we could predict who would wind up there, anyway.

For instance, I don't know if you will wind up there, and wouldn't try to be predictive of that -- one way or the other.

But note above you called me "fool"...And I note you said you believe in Jesus...Well, do you believe what Jesus said about calling others "fool":

Jesus (not me saying anything predictive about you): But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell. (Jesus, Matthew 5:22)

So, are we as Christians then supposed to encourage people to go merrily along toward any cliff awaiting us? Or are we to pass on warnings from Jesus Himself?

Which is more 'loving' -- to watch people stumble toward cliffs, or to warn?

746 posted on 11/08/2012 8:26:53 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: RJS1950
Church denominations are contrivances of man...

But the Body of Christ is not.

And we don't expect them all to look alike anymore than we expect kneecaps to look like shoulders, or feet to operate like hands.

...in every case man imposes their interpretation of what the true word of God is and how we must interpret the Gospels to attain salvation.

Let's just say there were 300 larger denominations in America (and a lot more small splinters)...

It seems to me that you are advocating that instead of, oh, say, THOUSANDS of people banding around a representation of the Body of Christ, that everybody just do that on their own...and that we have as many interpretations of the true word of God and how we must interpret the Gospels as there are people...Is that a fair assessment?

Are you recommending single-person denominations, or am I misreading you on that?

And would you be against single-person denominations, thereby making the "splintering" much, much worse than it already is?

And aren't you thereby contributing to this single-person splintering by being an example for others to follow this radical individualism?

What if the eye said to a toe, "We have no need of you?"

Don't we need you integrated into the Body of Christ, and vice versa?

747 posted on 11/08/2012 8:33:37 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: RJS1950
The extremes and the intolerance of men have brought about the inquisition of both the Catholic church and the Protestant...

(And so your "answer" to this historical trail of intolerance is to be intolerant toward both the Catholic and Protestant church...and reject them both? How are you somehow "turning the tide" toward tolerance, if you're intolerant toward them both?)

748 posted on 11/08/2012 8:35:26 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: RJS1950
Which of the denominations do I take as being the “true” meaning of God’s word? Yours, my neighbor’s? If I choose my neighbor’s then you might tell me that I am going to hell. If I choose yours then my neighbor might tell me I am going to hell.

If you chose your neighbor's daughter, somebody might eventually tell you that you chose the wife-from-hell; or, perhaps, somebody else might counter you chose the heaven-sent wife.

So what?

You fish or cut bait.

You don't wait forever, wonderin' which woman might be for you...only to be spouseless as you head to the grave.

That's what commitment is all about.

Be selective. Be discerning. Be choosy. But don't pass on 100% of the women.

Same thing denominationally. The Bible says to "test all things"; "test all spirits"; and to "hold fast to that which is good." Be selective. Be noble (Acts 17:11). Be discerning. Be choosy. But don't bypass 100% of all churches.

749 posted on 11/08/2012 8:39:44 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Kevmo

“What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation.... God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.”

- Apostle Orson Hyde, n.d., Journal of Discourses, v. 7, p. 53


750 posted on 11/08/2012 8:40:56 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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