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Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
IFB ^ | 11/7/12

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obama’s radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big… and indeed he has.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt “diss’d” being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.

Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nation’s ideology and culture.

Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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To: DungeonMaster; svcw

Beloved I wish above all else that you PROSPER and be in good health, even as your soul prospers. 3 John 2:1

also Joseph of Arimethea, and Lazarus and his sisters Mary and Martha were very rich friends of Jesus but he never condemned them ..

God doesnt mind us having riches...He just doesnt want the riches to “have” us...

Poverty is a lie right out of Hell...

How can we help others of we have nothing ourselves ???


801 posted on 11/09/2012 5:10:14 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: pennyfarmer; PapaBear3625

Well if the idea was to elect a “Christian king” we wouldnt be electing Willard...

Willard is not a Christian...

Hes of another entirely different religion, Mormonism...


802 posted on 11/09/2012 5:14:28 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: DungeonMaster

Listen you are the one who proclaims your holiness as poverty-you made the ignorant charge - prove it


803 posted on 11/09/2012 5:38:31 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

You would be correct. I will have nothing to do with Mitt.


804 posted on 11/09/2012 5:48:21 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Romney is a cresent wrench when you need a hammer. Sure it might work, but do you want to chance it?)
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To: Tennessee Nana; DungeonMaster

Nana don’t even bother ‘master’ revels in his poverty, it brings him self righteousness, (sorta like the pharisees). he believes himself ever so holy because he strives to be poor.


805 posted on 11/09/2012 6:52:53 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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There s NOTHING Christian about mormonISM.
mormonISM’s foundation is anti-Christian


806 posted on 11/09/2012 8:24:17 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Mr Rogers; Elsie; reaganaut

Well, they didn’t in the 7 years I lived there, and failed again when I visited in October...
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Well maybe they didnt like you enough...

Brigham Young said if the Mormons liked their neighbors they would spill their blood...

or something along that line...

Brigham always was a strange one...


807 posted on 11/09/2012 8:54:01 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw
Nana don’t even bother ‘master’ revels in his poverty, it brings him self righteousness, (sorta like the pharisees). he believes himself ever so holy because he strives to be poor.

Well I obviously struck a nerve considering how many words you are putting in my mouth.

808 posted on 11/10/2012 1:07:35 AM PST by DungeonMaster (If a man will not work, then neither shall he eat.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Maybe you think this does some good. I doubt it does, but I’m already convinced Mormonism is false.
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Well, they didn’t in the 7 years I lived there, and failed again when I visited in October...

They can probably tell from your postings that you are harmless.




809 posted on 11/10/2012 3:24:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
So what is the point in lecturing me, or posting a link to CARM?

It gives the bystanders something to do while Gomorrah slouchs by...


SOMEbody's been checking me out...



810 posted on 11/10/2012 3:28:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Elsie; reaganaut

Y’all probably SHOULD stay out of Utah. Not because anyone will try to murder you, but because the locals will freak out when you start peeing on yourself with fear any time someone looks at you.


811 posted on 11/10/2012 4:49:22 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers; Utah Binger
Y’all probably SHOULD stay out of Utah.

Sorry; but I just LOVE Utah!

It is my favorite place to vacation!

Right UBIE??

812 posted on 11/10/2012 5:48:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
 
 
 
 
 
 

813 posted on 11/10/2012 5:52:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DungeonMaster

Sorry honey that’s what you said, I just said it better (put words in your moth), you can thank me now.


814 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:22 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Elsie; Utah Binger

You mean you DARE to enter Utah, knowing that hordes of Danites are ready to sweep down from the hills and murder the innocent Gentiles crossing ‘their’ land?

Yet you post again and again about how Mormons want to kill their neighbors.

Maybe you don’t believe what you post?

I spent a week there in October, and didn’t see a single Danite Raider! Spent some time with my room mate from college, who is an evangelical living in an almost all LDS town (since 1980)...and the only ones trying to drive him out are the BLM & USFS!

Golly! Maybe Mormons DON’T patrol the Interstates, looking for broken down travelers to kill.


815 posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:53 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Elsie; Mr Rogers

There’s one spot I love
Which haunts me more each day
When I’m far away
My thoughts begin to stray
A cool canyon breeze
And crystal mountain streams
Valleys in the west
The land I love the best.

Oh, My favorite spot is Utah
Land of my fondest dreams
Sweet memories lie
Beneath that western sky
Close by a canyon stream
This is my home
And should I ever roam
I’ll hurry back to my mountain sheltered Utah shack
Oh, my favorite spot is Utah
Utah is the place for me!


816 posted on 11/10/2012 6:53:53 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Elsie

Winter is starting in Utah. Ten minutes ago from the deck.

817 posted on 11/10/2012 7:34:18 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Mr Rogers; Tennessee Nana; T Minus Four

Mocking does your argument no good.

I am actually heading to Utah in a few weeks for a short term mission with Tminusfour. I LOVE Utah, there are so many hungering for the truth.

However, you make like of the fact about being murdered, many of us in ministry to the LDS DO receive death threats from active, faithful Mormons. Also, there are several cases of Mormons murdering their own and apostates as a result of blood atonement doctrine.

The blood atonement thingy is really only for apostates.

I don’t fear Mormons at all, nor do I fear death (even being martyred) by a Mormon or anyone else. I feel pity and sorrow for Mormons because they are happily headed for eternity in Hell.

At least I care enough about Mormons to tell them the truth...apparently I care more about your Mormon ‘friends’ than you do.


818 posted on 11/10/2012 10:20:03 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: reaganaut; Tennessee Nana; T Minus Four

“At least I care enough about Mormons to tell them the truth...apparently I care more about your Mormon ‘friends’ than you do.”

Nope. We talked at great length, and no one tried to kill me. Several were told to break off their friendship, but no one was told to kill me. The arguments made on this thread have been so over the top and outlandish that no Mormon I ever met would bother to listen to them. The hysteria and bitterness displayed on this thread brings no honor to Christ. The insults and attacks made honor only the Father of Lies.


819 posted on 11/10/2012 11:23:49 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers; reaganaut; T Minus Four

no one tried to kill me. Several were told to break off their friendship
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actually in Mormondom that amounts to about the same thing...

ya aint been shunned and treated as though you were dead or never existed at all until ya been shunned by the Mormons...


820 posted on 11/10/2012 11:34:38 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mr Rogers; Tennessee Nana; T Minus Four

We talked at great length, and no one tried to kill me.

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No, because they thought they could still convert you.

Frankly you are not worthy in their eyes of blood atonement because you are just a gentile. It is their own and apostates like me that the Danites killed and that get the death threats, not ‘gentiles’ like you.

Telling Mormons they are Christians or letting them think that, brings no honor to Christ either.

Show me where I lied??!! You are the one bearing false witness which means you are serving the father of lies, not me.


821 posted on 11/10/2012 12:16:33 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: reaganaut

822 posted on 11/10/2012 12:18:41 PM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax

I didn’t vote out of revenge. I voted my principles and refused to betray my faith.

And I voted for my party’s candidate.


823 posted on 11/10/2012 12:57:16 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: reaganaut

“It is their own and apostates like me that the Danites killed and that get the death threats, not ‘gentiles’ like you.”

Hmmm...better tell that to the victims of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They were not apostates.

“Show me where I lied??!!”

You continue to rant that the Mormons may kill you:

“It is their own and apostates like me that the Danites killed and that get the death threats, not ‘gentiles’ like you.”

“However, you make like of the fact about being murdered, many of us in ministry to the LDS DO receive death threats from active, faithful Mormons. Also, there are several cases of Mormons murdering their own and apostates as a result of blood atonement doctrine...I don’t fear Mormons at all, nor do I fear death (even being martyred) by a Mormon or anyone else.”

Yet you KNOW that the LDS Church is not going to have you murdered, and you know that has not been a doctrine supported by the LDS for many, many years. It WAS taught and practiced in the 1800s - that was real - but then, they practiced polygamy back then, too.

Some weirdo nutjob might harm you in Utah, but you know full well they would be acting against the wishes of the Mormon church, which would NOT be happy about the controversy that would follow.

Yet you pretend you are in danger, as Gentile travelers WERE in danger in the 1800s, because of the Mormon church. You are lying.

This isn’t disputable. Back in the late 70s, I knew every Baptist in Cache Valley. It wasn’t hard. There weren’t that many of us. Yet none of us were threatened with death. A lot of us were shunned, but no one put out a contract on us.

Y’all are either psychotic or liars. Maybe a bit of both. You remind me of Sheriff Dupnik, blaming the shooting of Gabby Giffords on conservatives and Sarah Palin. You allow your bitterness to overcome rational thought and honesty.


824 posted on 11/10/2012 1:14:47 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers; Elsie

they practiced polygamy back then, too.
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Polygamy was practiced way into the 1900s...

The last polygamist president/prophet of the Mormons died in 1945..

Woodruff the guy who made the supposed “proclamation’ from their mormon gods in 1890 remained a polygamist as did the other Mo0rmon leaders

and they continued to marry more wives into the early 1900s which caused further proclamations for years later...

doctrines and covenants 132 the Mormon doctrine on polygamy is still on the books and was never recinded...

The Mormons believe that their Mormon god was a polygamist with children and their mormon jesus was a polygamist with children...

and that when their Mormon jesus returns to Missouri he will order them to practice polygamy again...

Their Mormon jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, and Mary and Martha the sisters of Lazarus and others...

their holy ghost was not a polygamist because he had not earned a fleshly body like their Mormon god and their Mormon jesus did...


825 posted on 11/10/2012 1:27:24 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mr Rogers

Hmmm...better tell that to the victims of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They were not apostates.

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No, but there were other factors and one of them was that the LDS were told they killed LDS apostle Parley P Prat and were involved in the death of Joseph Smith.

Most people in ministry to Mormons receive death threats, blood atonement was taught way past 1880’s to 1930’s from the pulpit and blood atonement still happened clear up to the 1980’s with a few cases suspected since then. Additionally, the doctrine lived on in the Utah death penalty choice of firing squad because that was the only way to atone for sin.

I never said the LDS church sent me death threats, but individual members have doing what they believe their church wants. You are right they wouldn’t be happy about controversy, but there is also a lot of coverup for LDS inc in Utah - just look at the sexual abuse scandals. Protect the LDS church at all costs.

I’m not pretending I’m in danger, I have gotten threats and one other close friend had their house bombed by a Mormon. I’m not lying in the least no am I psychotic. While it may be rare, it happens.

And you didn’t prove I was lying. Fail on your part.

Mormons are deluded, Mormonism is EVIL.


826 posted on 11/10/2012 1:32:27 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Utah Binger

BRRRRRrrr!

mid 60’s here today


827 posted on 11/10/2012 3:36:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
The hysteria and bitterness displayed on this thread brings no honor to Christ. The insults and attacks made honor only the Father of Lies.

What can you EXPECT from the MORMONs posting here?

They are in SHOCK!

They are in DISBELIEF!!

They are in MOURNING!!!

Their world has been shattered and doubts are flooding over them; so no WONDER they are acting this way.

828 posted on 11/10/2012 3:40:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
...but then, they practiced polygamy back then, too.

I wonder why they don't now?

After all; it's still on the books:

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


829 posted on 11/10/2012 3:42:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
Y’all are either psychotic or liars. Maybe a bit of both.
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Thank you for your remote diagnosis. Now I can skip my next month's analyst meeting.

830 posted on 11/10/2012 3:45:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: who knows what evil?

I live in Goode’s district. We saw a number of Romney and Obama signs — not a single Goode sign in Goode’s ‘base’. Delusions of grandeur.


831 posted on 11/12/2012 4:47:27 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: DungeonMaster; svcw; Quix

Solomon was incredibly rich when God blessed him with wisdom. Simple enough scripture right there. The mistake Solomon made had nothing to do with money. Otherwise he would have been blessed by God and wildly rich at the same time for the rest of his days. He was also charitable BTW as is shown in Proverbs.

Now to address the strongest counter-point: “The love of money is the root of all evil.” — Paul [allegedly]

OK, so lusting after another man’s wife is not evil? Killing Abel is not evil? Neither has anything to do with money. There is something wrong with our English translation of that scripture. And take it from me — it’s a lousy verse to live by.

All of the anti-rich scriptures are taken out of context. My life is screwed up because I believed that I should not love money. Maybe I should sue the universities that twisted the scripture around.

Here’s an oldie: “Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle ...” There was a narrow pass known as the Eye of the Needle — the merchants had to unload their camels to squeeze them through it. In other words, you should not WORSHIP or LUST for money to the point that you become wicked or a fool. Common sense.


832 posted on 11/12/2012 5:01:03 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
In other words, you should not WORSHIP or LUST for money to the point that you become wicked or a fool. Common sense.

Yep!

833 posted on 11/12/2012 6:43:07 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2959327/posts


834 posted on 11/15/2012 12:20:54 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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