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I clearly recall the Democrats' jumping off the cliff after their loss in 2004. In fact there were a few suicides reported by Dem voters. They were all hand wringing and cowering at the prospect that the country had permanently lurched to the right. Those doomsayers were obviously wrong though.

If we look at all federal elections since the turn of the century, the GOP has won 4, while the Democrats have won 3. Hardly the sign of a dying party. History suggests that 2014 will be another victory for the GOP.

Sure there are problems that need to be addressed but to suggest that this is a death knell is going too far at this time.

The papers are full of columns today by liberal writers on the topic "This is what the Republican Party must do to succeed in the future."

My message to the GOP: Do NOT take advice from liberal Democrats. They are not interested in your success in the future. They are interested in your destruction.

Conversely, when Republicans win (like 2010) I never read columns by conservatives advising Dems what they should do in order to win in the future.

The primaries are killing us. Candidates have to say things that'll only hurt them in the general election to satisfy one issue voting groups like pro lifers (which I support but not to the exclusion of losing an election).

Ground game. We need an ongoing ground game like the Democrats have. Too much time to get it started up each election.

Diverse candidates. Cruz, Rubio, Jindal. Why are Asian Americans voting for Democrats? We should own that demographic - educated, hardworking, American dream. A young candidate that can go on Leno, Letterman, etc. and be comfortable.

Conservative news should focus on layoffs, the economy, poor jobs reports. Chasing birth certificates is a distraction and doesn't help the cause. People care about what immediately effects them and their family.

The vote was a status quo election. Nothing changed. Back where we were.

Democrats want us to implode or become 'Democrat Lite' which won't work.

This is a hard loss. We can rebound.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 9:18:26 AM PST by TigerClaws
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And here’s the funny thing. Basically 10M people fewer turnout out to vote, compared to 2008. But looking over the exit polling, there’s no clear “group” that stayed home.

Evangelicals are getting blamed, but they represented a higher percentage of the electorate in 2012 than in 2008 (though within the MOE), and were pretty much the most “Romney” crosstab of all, outside of self-identified Republicans. Even more so than Mormons (but again, inside the MOE on that).

With a few top-line exceptions (Democrats were more for Obama in 2012 than in 2008, Republicans likewise for Romney over McCain, and Romney +5 with independents compared to McCain’s -8), there wasn’t a whole lot of shift in the various subgroups as to support.

So the answer really isn’t as simple as “we needed more from group X”, because both sides can say that about groups A-Z. The real question is why 10M people stayed home and what would have gotten the right portion of them to the polls?


25 posted on 11/08/2012 9:49:28 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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IMO the successful Asian-American demographic is inclined to follow whatever also motivates the successful Jewish vote:

1) They believe in their collective intellectual superiority, which also almost by definition means they believe in the relative intellectual inferiority of other groups.

2) Given that, they don’t think all groups can succeed on a level playing field.

3) Therefore, they think the only way for racially and ethnically based resentment not to endanger their own relatively greater success is to buy off the less fortunate groups with government-provided and liberally-justified benefits.

4) Fortunately for them, the costs of this can be spread across the entire tax-paying populace, though they as a successful minority are prime beneficiaries.

The first three of the four have been straight out detailed to me by successful Jews. I think it is easy for Asians to think the same way, even if not quite fully consciously.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 9:53:13 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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Romney lost the swing states he needed by a combined 373,141 votes.

And yet we are to believe that its impossible that such numbers could be attributed to fraud?

I'm sorry folks, but I believe we have openly seen the tip of a large Democrat fraud iceberg. When you add up the direct impact of such activities and the secondary effect on voter turnout and enthusiasm, it should be very clear that we need to seriously address the voter fraud problem.

I find it very suspect that presidential election results have been so evenly divided as of late. Is it really reasonable for it to be so close, over and over again?

Scoff at conspiracy theories if you like, but Obambi didn't get to be a political powerhouse in Chicago because he plays fair. Something is very suspect, in my mind.

28 posted on 11/08/2012 10:04:48 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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Nearly half of America voted for the GOP, and the other half didn't.

The president and his party have no mandate.

Congress shouldn't shrink away from reminding them of that reality.
30 posted on 11/08/2012 10:17:43 AM PST by indthkr
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You are echoing my thoughts - or I am echoing yours?

Yesterday was a very, very difficult day for me, personally, professionally and financially. I felt exceptionally low, and ready to give up on everything except God and my family. And to my shame, my faith was not as strong as it should have been either.

But it's time to stop p*ssing and moaning. We lost. It hurts. And the country will suffer.

But the game is not over, irretrievably and forever. We keep working and fighting, and being good Americans in our daily lives.

Yes, I have told my family that taxes will go up, prices will go up, and wages will go way down if there is work at all.

But I had myself a huge pity party yesterday, and am now trying to act like a grown up.

There will always be millions of us who believe in the Constitution and our values. We may have to suffer and not be whiners, for a time. Maybe the country is on the way down, with no hope. But what a shame it would be if we all curled up into a ball and gave up.

Fight the good fight - keep true to our ideals.

And yes, remember what happened to the Democrats (and the Republicans) after the 2004 defeat.

Whether people like me will have a home in the Republican party is not the issue. I honestly don’t know. But I am not going to spend every day thinking all is lost.

I will do what I can, and stay true to my principles. And the rest is in God's hands.

As a pep talk, it may be long on words and short on substance,. But I am done whining.

32 posted on 11/08/2012 10:22:53 AM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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That's 2 percentage points, 2 percentage points of the total. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle in future elections.

It's not that the margin was so slim, it's that they lost their own wave elections. If the GOP couldn't win with an incumbent with 8% unemployment and a bad economy, then how can they win. If they can't win when everything's in their favor, how can they win?

37 posted on 11/08/2012 10:36:40 AM PST by nickcarraway
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I heartily agree. Two million votes (allegedly!) out of this entire nation are the only difference. We are not a socialist minded nation.

We are a divided nation.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 10:45:49 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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The problem is not a lack of conservative voters. The problem is that the Karl Roves who run the party keep shooting themselves in the foot and turning away their base.

Again and again and again.

And one day after this disastrous election, they are continuing to come up with all the wrong answers and ignore the problems that are staring them in the face.


40 posted on 11/08/2012 10:46:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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There isn't one answer to this problem. Why did 3 million - 3 million! - white GOP voters stay home with quite possibly the worst president in our country's history on the ballot? The GOP has to figure that out. But, they also need to acknowledge that the white GOP vote is shrinking due very much to the life cycle, and the minority vote is growing due in part to illegal immigration. They do need to figure out how to get through to some of these people - hispanics and asians, at least, blacks are a lost cause - otherwise, they will indeed be a minority party going forward. And, there has to be a housecleaning at the top of the GOP, at the very least, but we all know that won't happen. But there isn't one answer to the GOP's problems.
49 posted on 11/08/2012 11:04:41 AM PST by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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If it’s this close with a closet commie Muslim and a liberal Republican as the choices, what do you think it will be like if we ever run a conservative? The choices were stark, the economy speaks for itself, yet people still chose the commie Muslim even over a “moderate” Republican-do we have to run a democrat to win? Hurrah for the one-party government.


56 posted on 11/08/2012 11:19:33 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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“My message to the GOP: Do NOT take advice from liberal Democrats. They are not interested in your success in the future. They are interested in your destruction.”

Come on now...if gop leaders cannot see clearly that Romney was too weak, they do not belong in politics!


58 posted on 11/08/2012 11:21:00 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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We need honest and decent men and women. If not, it will not matter who or what you represent. This election shouted this out loud and clear.


63 posted on 11/08/2012 11:31:38 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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The party is nothing but RINOs now, and only RINOs can support them. Not enough of them apparently to win an election.

The Republican party is a myth populated by democrats who changed their affiliation. That’s why high crimes and treason by Obama are ignored.


77 posted on 11/08/2012 12:40:45 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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The problem is that as government grows the left’s electorate grows, and freedom’s electorate shrinks. The Republican Party is committed to reducing the growth of government. Not rolling back government. They are committing electoral suicide. The solutions are complicated, but I believe the first step must be to get the government out of the business of educating children. Marxists destroyed America from within by shaping minds through public schooling and the popular culture.


78 posted on 11/08/2012 12:42:45 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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